My Opinion on the MGTOW Movement

[Hans]

There is also the issue of MALE hypergamy. Many men focus solely on beautiful women, underestimating that are not of the same socioeconomic background as the women they want. 

So true. And it happens over and over again, even with the handsome and rich guys who are eventually buried alive by the psycho bombshells they are married to.

[TruthSeeker]

Just like women want what they can't have, so do men. Truthseeker wants the attractive 'bad bitch', unfortunately or not, she doesn't want him.

Conservative women who want to raise a family are out there. My female cousin married young and has three children, she was educated as a teacher, now she is a stay at home mom. Her brother (my cousin too), also married a teacher who is the same age as my female cousin, they also have three kids and his wife is a stay at home mom. Both women are not supermodels, but they are not ugly either.

It comes down to this. Where are you going to be a year from now. Still writing threads about what everyone here already knows, or do you actually want to find a solution for yourself?

Redpilloverdose and many others have found conservative woman and have built strong families. If what you are looking for is fools gold then by all means keep at it, but do not keep bashing what is real. Real gold is what you (we) want always remember that.

How did you know "I go for bitches?"

Do you have super powers?

[Plato]

I go for somewhat the crazy ones but I have BPD and I am psychotic sooo . also if girl is bitch to me ill tell her to fuck off .

[locutus24]

Just like women want what they can't have, so do men. Truthseeker wants the attractive 'bad bitch', unfortunately or not, she doesn't want him.

Conservative women who want to raise a family are out there. My female cousin married young and has three children, she was educated as a teacher, now she is a stay at home mom. Her brother (my cousin too), also married a teacher who is the same age as my female cousin, they also have three kids and his wife is a stay at home mom. Both women are not supermodels, but they are not ugly either.

It comes down to this. Where are you going to be a year from now. Still writing threads about what everyone here already knows, or do you actually want to find a solution for yourself?

Redpilloverdose and many others have found conservative woman and have built strong families. If what you are looking for is fools gold then by all means keep at it, but do not keep bashing what is real. Real gold is what you (we) want always remember that.

I agree with Brett and Redpilloverdose. There exist attractive women (to the eyes of the beholder) that one could find a relationship with, but it's HARD, just like all things in life. I've been single for 6 years, though I've had flings with college girl study partners here and there, but I was with an attractive woman (in my eyes) and at the time I was skinny, had bad posture, and wasn't as confident, but she enjoyed other aspects of who I was. My point is that there are some women who can accept flaws or things that aren't on their "idealized man" list. 

Yeah, TruthSeeker is writing a lot of threads on the hopelessness of finding his girl. Or rather he is blaming all women for not finding the one. I agree with him that a lot of women can be nasty and mean and make this journey for love/companionship difficult, but he is now taken this to a whole new level where "all" women who he finds attractive are bad. 

Idk. I admit I sometimes fall into the same mindset on the bad days. I see women as bad and think they want men who own mansions and want to degrade them sexually. But this is not completely true.

[TruthSeeker]

I agree with Brett and Redpilloverdose. There exist attractive women (to the eyes of the beholder) that one could find a relationship with, but it's HARD, just like all things in life. I've been single for 6 years, though I've had flings with college girl study partners here and there, but I was with an attractive woman (in my eyes) and at the time I was skinny, had bad posture, and wasn't as confident, but she enjoyed other aspects of who I was. My point is that there are some women who can accept flaws or things that aren't on their "idealized man" list. 

Yeah, TruthSeeker is writing a lot of threads on the hopelessness of finding his girl. Or rather he is blaming all women for not finding the one. I agree with him that a lot of women can be nasty and mean and make this journey for love/companionship difficult, but he is now taken this to a whole new level where "all" women who he finds attractive are bad. 

Idk. I admit I sometimes fall into the same mindset on the bad days. I see women as bad and think they want men who own mansions and want to degrade them sexually. But this is not completely true.

I have very low requirements for women - just don't be fat.

And, bros, thank you for solving my problem - I just have to go to that conservative, shy, cute girl that I'd been ignoring for decades. On my way. How could I have been so stupid?

[locutus24]

I have very low requirements for women - just don't be fat.

And, bros, thank you for solving my problem - I just have to go to that conservative, shy, cute girl that I'd been ignoring for decades. On my way. How could I have been so stupid?

Happy to offer you the solution man. 

Let us know how the first date goes. You could even write an article on your new date on your blog. Change things up a little!

[Hans]

Happy to offer you the solution man. 

Let us know how the first date goes. You could even write an article on your new date on your blog. Change things up a little!

See Truthseeker, now your business even has "consultants" ... ;)

[Hans]

Just as a side note. Although no doubt that man is a bad boy. Ones appearance is not always a given that one is a bad boy or a nice guy. It can be a good indication but the true test is unseen to the eye.

Here is a story to illustrate:

There are two brothers in the story. We will call them Rob and Stan. Rob and Stan live together with their female friend, lets call her Bianca. They have a male gardener that comes around once a week to fix up their flower beds. One day the gardener approaches Bianca and tells her that there has been a fire at his place and all his belongings are now gone. Naturally, because Bianca is a woman she becomes emotionally attached to the gardeners story. She then fetches two shirts from the brothers wardrobes. One from each, not even particular favourites, just ordinary shirts that she is sure they wont miss. She gives both shirts to the gardener and he thanks her sincerely.

When Rob and Stan get home, Bianca tells them what she has done but individually. Stan is initially concerned that she gave his secretly favourite checkered shirt away. But after thinking it over and Bianca explaining the gardeners dilemma, he too develops sympathy for the gardener and lets it pass.

When Bianca tells Rob he immediately gets upset with her. She explains the situation in the exact same way that she explains it to Stan. She tells Rob which of his shirts she has given away. It was just a plain shirt that Rob does not care for, and he knows this. However, Rob is annoyed with Bianca that she wen't behind his back and gave away his shirt without his permission. He sees the lack of respect. He reprimands her and tells her that the gardener is not allowed back at their house untill he returns his shirt.

Bianca reluctantly informs the gardener, who brings back Robs shirt. When his hands it back to Rob, he tries to explain his story to Rob, but Rob just says "not my problem". He then takes his shirt and tosses it into the garbage. He is not going to wear a shirt that has been worn by a semi street person. He just wanted to reinforce that no one must touch his belongings behind his back. Stan sees this and immediately gets angry at Rob, although he does not reprimand him. Instead he fetches another one of his own shirts and proceeds to give it too the gardener (he also thinks by doing this he may impress Bianca).

The story serves to illustrate the difference between the bad boy and the nice guy mindset. Although both often associated with a certain look, neither is a given. 

Women although they can relate to nice guys, often emotionally manipulate them and because of this they land up losing respect for them and ultimatley despising them.

Nice. That story belongs into a book on proper male behavior to be handed out to boys when they reach puberty (better to be told by their fathers though).

But think twice. Is Rob really a "bad boy" here? What did he actually do? He scolded Bianca, rightfully, for giving away *his* property without having asked him before. He then took *his* shirt back from a stranger (who in my opinion should not have taken it in the first place: keep your personal problems out of your business, otherwise, it only calls for trouble). And he tossed *his* shirt into the garbage, clearly a symbolic act to underline his position. He did not harm anybody here. Whether you like it or not, that was all acceptable male behavior with the last scene possibly being some show made up for the girl (but *he* paid for it since he threw *his* shirt away).

A real "bad boy" would probably beaten up the gardener or the girl. A real bad boy acts out of any conventions not fearing the consequences. A man who asserts his interests is not a bad boy just because of doing so.

On Stan, yeah, his behavior got him nowhere. He lost two shirts in that story (even his favorite one) to a stranger for nothing in return. Bianca now knows he is a nice guy with whom she can do whatever she likes. But is Stan really a "nice guy"? I mean, did he give his shirts to the gardener for reasons of charity? No, he wanted to impress Bianca in a sneaky way. That's not nice, is it?

So in the end, Rob possibly gave Bianca the tingles due to his assertive behavior while Stan will most likely end in friend-zone territory eventually.

[Hans]

... I couldn't have said "then Rob proceded to strangle Bianca" now could I

I wouldn't be surprised if she even liked that ...

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Yes with Stan representing the nice guy community, often that sneaky behaviour is very present. These men have earned the title nice guy, but often their intentions are never pure. They want sex just as much as the bad boys do, however their way of going about it, is to almost go into stealth mode. 

They hope by never actually making their intentions explicitly clear (like grabbing the woman and going for the kiss) they can still attract her interest by being polite and respectful. Normally a facade, which is why it mostly backfires and they get friendzoned.

Even the dumbest girls are champions in spotting the nice guy when he winds around with his little favors here and there never making a move.

[Hans]

She probably would. I read somewhere that a large percentile of women have a fantasy about being 'raped' according to some study. Not sure how accurate that is though.

I'm definitely not in the position to make a scientifically accurate study on that matter but I've had a few girlfriends in my life. Most of them liked something that a kid not accustomed to today's Internet porn would consider 'rough sex'. It was shocking for me on first encounter, but now, with a more relaxed view on things in life, that behavior seems pretty normal and natural to me. One woman, a lawyer (yeah, I know ...), even said upfront that she likes to be dominated in bed (but only in bed, as she emphasized). Also some of my buddies who look more attractive than me (read as: had more and better looking girls) could confirm that observation.

Unless you are a complete pervert, a girl likes what you like, but in the opposite role. So while you want to dominate, she wants to submit. Really strange, isn't it? But it makes perfect sense to me now considering our biological reproduction. Man and woman cannot have the same role during sex since that would be like two electrons pushing themselves off. They cannot be both dominant or both submissive. Her role must complement his role, like an electron attracted to a proton. Since a straight male usually prefers the dominant role, a female prefers the submissive role even if she is an "empowered you go girl" outside the bed. I know, you don't watch porn but if you did you would recognize that very same pattern: the man dominating the woman, often in ridiculous, exaggerated ways.

Now, that "rape" thing: Obviously, no woman wants to be forced to sexual acts against her will (that would be a real rape). But when she fantasizes about "rape" (think of "Fifty Shades of Grey" and stuff like that), then what she really means is that she wants to be sexually dominated, willingly, as described above.

And then there is the third "rape", when a woman abuses that term to get some attention by crashing the reputation of some creepy kid who just tried to touch her (after having read on some alpha sucker's blog how effective touching a girl supposedly was).

One word, three meanings. Never underestimate the female mind. ;)