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12-26-2018, 07:12 AM
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The general concept of MGTOW makes perfect sense to me, especially now when I have had my large share of female hostility and rejection. I have been treated bad by many women. They have wasted my time, lied to me, manipulated me...etc. I learned a lot, but at the same time, I lost resources - mainly time and energy. I will never get them back. The regrets, and the metallic taste in my mouth will stay. I will never be able to love a woman. They successfully broke that in me.
For someone in my position, MGTOW's ideology makes a lot of sense. Yet I don't fully embrace it.
MGTOW logically eliminates a variable (women) which takes too much without giving back almost anything to the average person. If women were a business idea, giving up on them would be a logical step. "Cut your losses."
But women are not a business idea.
You were designed biologically to want them. You would never see a lion go MGTOW. Giving up on women is like choosing your gender - you can't really do it. The desire will always be there. It's 100% unnatural for a man NOT to want a woman.
This is why MGTOW is not for young individuals - at least not in its extreme form. MGTOW makes fun of feminists who spend their best years chasing a meaningless career and yet many young men use MGTOW as an excuse to waste precious time on nonsense dopamine ventures too.
However, MGTOW can be a great choice for a divorced man with children.
This individual has already reproduced and has had his natural need for a woman satisfied. If this was me, I would probably go full-blown MGTOW without carrying at all. I would focus my energy on my children and myself.
Honestly, I don't think MGTOW is the solution. It can be a temporary medicine that you take, but in the long-term, something else is in order.
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12-26-2018, 08:31 AM
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Having a son and having been married for nearly ten years, it is less of a concern for me to find a relationship/woman at the moment. The grass isn't always greener. I sometimes feel lonely, but then you can feel lonely in a relstionship. Being in the wrong relationship is hell and for now I'm enjoying my freedom.
I would not rule anything out and if I found someone I liked then great. But it isn't a massive concern for me. I remember how it was when I was in my teenage years and hadn't had sex yet. It was awful. It felt like everyone around me was having sex and in a relationship, but not me. I used to fear stories of others' conquests because I had none myself. Nowadays it must he much worse. I seen videos on YouTube that target young men like this made by psychos telling them they will never find anyone and that something is wrong with them. No wonder suicide rates are soaring despite our apparent social progress.
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(12-26-2018, 07:35 AM)Brett Wrote: (12-26-2018, 07:12 AM)TruthSeeker Wrote: The general concept of MGTOW makes perfect sense to me, especially now when I have had my large share of female hostility and rejection. I have been treated bad by many women. They have wasted my time, lied to me, manipulated me...etc. I learned a lot, but at the same time, I lost resources - mainly time and energy. I will never get them back. The regrets, and the metallic taste in my mouth will stay. I will never be able to love a woman. They successfully broke that in me.
For someone in my position, MGTOW's ideology makes a lot of sense. Yet I don't fully embrace it.
MGTOW logically eliminates a variable (women) which takes too much without giving back almost anything to the average person. If women were a business idea, giving up on them would be a logical step. "Cut your losses."
But women are not a business idea.
You were designed biologically to want them. You would never see a lion go MGTOW. Giving up on women is like choosing your gender - you can't really do it. The desire will always be there. It's 100% unnatural for a man NOT to want a woman.
This is why MGTOW is not for young individuals - at least not in its extreme form. MGTOW makes fun of feminists who spend their best years chasing a meaningless career and yet many young men use MGTOW as an excuse to waste precious time on nonsense dopamine ventures too.
However, MGTOW can be a great choice for a divorced man with children.
This individual has already reproduced and has had his natural need for a woman satisfied. If this was me, I would probably go full-blown MGTOW without carrying at all. I would focus my energy on my children and myself.
Honestly, I don't think MGTOW is the solution. It can be a temporary medicine that you take, but in the long-term, something else is in order.
It should be temporary if at all. Maybe a 1-3 year period where you get set up in your business or your new job, or finishing your degree. Those guys that plan on ignoring women their entire lives are going to have a lot of bottled up regret later in life.
You should never cut yourself off from all opportunities, even if you aren't actively looking for a partner, doesn't mean you can't passively be open to it if the opportunity arises.
I feel as if the majority of the mgtow movement are just men who are secretly hoping that by ignoring women they will attract them. The rest of them are probably men that have been used by women as the nice guys and are just sick of being left in limber all the time while these girls run off with bad boys.
I've got a feeling that you aren't a nice guy (anymore, I think at one stage we all were, I certainly was). You aren't trying reverse psychology either because you aren't immature. So that's why you reject mgtow. You recognise the need, but you dont want it. Its just something that's part of you (every man) and instead of fighting it (mgtow), you've embraced it, but recognised that through free will, you don't have to let it rule your life. Your stance is the best. Passive is the right description of it. The movement seem to be scared of how divorces leave men ruined but it also sucks to find out 15 years later that the kid you are growing like your son is not even yours but someones, all her love was an just an act.
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I don't know how's the situation where you live, but among few things that's good in the shithole I live is cheap whores. I gave up relationships many years ago. Some might say that is a sad way to live, without real love and care, and I thought so in the beginning. However it doesn't matter how hard I try, I will not have real love, even from a relationship. At least fucking whores I get sexual satisfaction and can focus on other things that life can offer.
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(12-26-2018, 07:12 AM)TruthSeeker Wrote: The general concept of MGTOW makes perfect sense to me, especially now when I have had my large share of female hostility and rejection. I have been treated bad by many women. They have wasted my time, lied to me, manipulated me...etc. I learned a lot, but at the same time, I lost resources - mainly time and energy. I will never get them back. The regrets, and the metallic taste in my mouth will stay. I will never be able to love a woman. They successfully broke that in me.
For someone in my position, MGTOW's ideology makes a lot of sense. Yet I don't fully embrace it.
MGTOW logically eliminates a variable (women) which takes too much without giving back almost anything to the average person. If women were a business idea, giving up on them would be a logical step. "Cut your losses."
But women are not a business idea.
You were designed biologically to want them. You would never see a lion go MGTOW. Giving up on women is like choosing your gender - you can't really do it. The desire will always be there. It's 100% unnatural for a man NOT to want a woman.
This is why MGTOW is not for young individuals - at least not in its extreme form. MGTOW makes fun of feminists who spend their best years chasing a meaningless career and yet many young men use MGTOW as an excuse to waste precious time on nonsense dopamine ventures too.
However, MGTOW can be a great choice for a divorced man with children.
This individual has already reproduced and has had his natural need for a woman satisfied. If this was me, I would probably go full-blown MGTOW without carrying at all. I would focus my energy on my children and myself.
Honestly, I don't think MGTOW is the solution. It can be a temporary medicine that you take, but in the long-term, something else is in order. The natural need for a woman won't disappear after you reproduce and have kids. It will always be there.
Other than that wish I had more to say but I'm pretty much clueless like most men: single, married, divorced, happy or unhappy and every combination of those.
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(12-26-2018, 07:12 AM)TruthSeeker Wrote: The general concept of MGTOW makes perfect sense to me, especially now when I have had my large share of female hostility and rejection. I have been treated bad by many women. They have wasted my time, lied to me, manipulated me...etc. I learned a lot, but at the same time, I lost resources - mainly time and energy. I will never get them back. The regrets, and the metallic taste in my mouth will stay. I will never be able to love a woman. They successfully broke that in me.
For someone in my position, MGTOW's ideology makes a lot of sense. Yet I don't fully embrace it.
MGTOW logically eliminates a variable (women) which takes too much without giving back almost anything to the average person. If women were a business idea, giving up on them would be a logical step. "Cut your losses."
But women are not a business idea.
You were designed biologically to want them. You would never see a lion go MGTOW. Giving up on women is like choosing your gender - you can't really do it. The desire will always be there. It's 100% unnatural for a man NOT to want a woman.
This is why MGTOW is not for young individuals - at least not in its extreme form. MGTOW makes fun of feminists who spend their best years chasing a meaningless career and yet many young men use MGTOW as an excuse to waste precious time on nonsense dopamine ventures too.
However, MGTOW can be a great choice for a divorced man with children.
This individual has already reproduced and has had his natural need for a woman satisfied. If this was me, I would probably go full-blown MGTOW without carrying at all. I would focus my energy on my children and myself.
Honestly, I don't think MGTOW is the solution. It can be a temporary medicine that you take, but in the long-term, something else is in order.
Truthseeker, what's your opinion on Nikola Tesla? I'm sure that guy could have had any number of woman... yet he remained single because he was not impressed with the direction women were heading in.
I would not mind a woman, however, is it not better to be a single man than in a toxic marriage/releationship?
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01-20-2019, 10:25 PM
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(01-20-2019, 06:49 PM)Inder Wrote: Truthseeker, what's your opinion on Nikola Tesla? I'm sure that guy could have had any number of woman... yet he remained single because he was not impressed with the direction women were heading in.
I would not mind a woman, however, is it not better to be a single man than in a toxic marriage/releationship?
I know that you ask trhuseeker, but I like say,
I had seen in a documentary that Tesla feared women. He put them on a pedestal and for that reason he died virgin, even mentioning that he kept his whole life a handkerchief or glove (I do not remember exactly) of a woman who never dared to speak to her. All this because he was raised in a Catholic family and his mother "taught" him to respect women. When I look at that I just thought that even being a higher mind as telsa the hardest that is going againg the ideas that have been imposed on you or the one you impose on yourself, after all tesla was never a philosopher he was an engineer and inventor the greatest of History, of course, that I have seen in several documentaries, I do not know if it is true. Maybe what you say is true, tesla was not impressed, and for that reason Tesla never got married never had a girlfriend even in his teenage years and youth
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01-23-2019, 02:54 PM
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(01-20-2019, 10:25 PM)joepeckflexforlife Wrote: (01-20-2019, 06:49 PM)Inder Wrote: Truthseeker, what's your opinion on Nikola Tesla? I'm sure that guy could have had any number of woman... yet he remained single because he was not impressed with the direction women were heading in.
I would not mind a woman, however, is it not better to be a single man than in a toxic marriage/releationship?
I know that you ask trhuseeker, but I like say,
I had seen in a documentary that Tesla feared women. He put them on a pedestal and for that reason he died virgin, even mentioning that he kept his whole life a handkerchief or glove (I do not remember exactly) of a woman who never dared to speak to her. All this because he was raised in a Catholic family and his mother "taught" him to respect women. When I look at that I just thought that even being a higher mind as telsa the hardest that is going againg the ideas that have been imposed on you or the one you impose on yourself, after all tesla was never a philosopher he was an engineer and inventor the greatest of History, of course, that I have seen in several documentaries, I do not know if it is true. Maybe what you say is true, tesla was not impressed, and for that reason Tesla never got married never had a girlfriend even in his teenage years and youth I don't consider Tesla a Catholic, I believe he knew much more than any organised religion could teach. They are for people who look to an external authority to tell them how to live & obsessed with communal identity. I also don't believe he was afraid of any woman. He was very disciplined if what I read of him was true, but, I did not know him personally so my opinion of him may be incorrect...
(01-20-2019, 10:25 PM)joepeckflexforlife Wrote: (01-20-2019, 06:49 PM)Inder Wrote: Truthseeker, what's your opinion on Nikola Tesla? I'm sure that guy could have had any number of woman... yet he remained single because he was not impressed with the direction women were heading in.
I would not mind a woman, however, is it not better to be a single man than in a toxic marriage/releationship?
I know that you ask trhuseeker, but I like say,
I had seen in a documentary that Tesla feared women. He put them on a pedestal and for that reason he died virgin, even mentioning that he kept his whole life a handkerchief or glove (I do not remember exactly) of a woman who never dared to speak to her. All this because he was raised in a Catholic family and his mother "taught" him to respect women. When I look at that I just thought that even being a higher mind as telsa the hardest that is going againg the ideas that have been imposed on you or the one you impose on yourself, after all tesla was never a philosopher he was an engineer and inventor the greatest of History, of course, that I have seen in several documentaries, I do not know if it is true. Maybe what you say is true, tesla was not impressed, and for that reason Tesla never got married never had a girlfriend even in his teenage years and youth I'm afraid of what a woman could do to me.
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MGTOW doesn't explicitly imply that you should avoid women 100% of the time and forget about them. It implies that men should not invest so heavily into women.
If a girl I'm interested in wants to fuck, then I'm up for it; doesn't mean I have to commit a bunch of time and resources into her. She wouldn't do it for me most likely.
The point of MGTOW is that you live your life and follow the path you want to follow and don't get side-lined by some random chick. I've seen so many guys (including myself) get derailed from their goals, because they feel like they gotta invest in a girl heavily to keep her around. No, you don't. Some will stick around, some won't, you just have to keep your goal in sight and stay with it.
People are brainwashed into fairy-tale level romance, lifelong monogamy, and finding 'the one'. Get that nonsense out of your head. The odds of it happening and working out well are akin to winning the lottery. Use girls for what they're good for; cuddling, romance, intimacy, and support; and if she can't give you any of that, don't waste your time. If she decides to jump ship and be with someone else, let her; give yourself the freedom to do the same.
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(01-31-2019, 03:43 AM)Austin Wrote: MGTOW doesn't explicitly imply that you should avoid women 100% of the time and forget about them. It implies that men should not invest so heavily into women.
If a girl I'm interested in wants to fuck, then I'm up for it; doesn't mean I have to commit a bunch of time and resources into her. She wouldn't do it for me most likely.
The point of MGTOW is that you live your life and follow the path you want to follow and don't get side-lined by some random chick. I've seen so many guys (including myself) get derailed from their goals, because they feel like they gotta invest in a girl heavily to keep her around. No, you don't. Some will stick around, some won't, you just have to keep your goal in sight and stay with it.
People are brainwashed into fairy-tale level romance, lifelong monogamy, and finding 'the one'. Get that nonsense out of your head. The odds of it happening and working out well are akin to winning the lottery. Use girls for what they're good for; cuddling, romance, intimacy, and support; and if she can't give you any of that, don't waste your time. If she decides to jump ship and be with someone else, let her; give yourself the freedom to do the same.
Yeah, I have to agree with that. It is harder than it sounds though. Women can be crafty when they want to get their own way. Especially when you have kids with them. But I agree overall. My ex would threaten to leave all the time when we first started going out and it used to scare me, then one day I just had enough and was basically like 'OK fine, see you later then,' and she suddenly backtracked.
People can only have power over you if you let them.
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