https://nattyornotforum.com/ Fri, 13 Nov 2026 01:08:45 +0000 MyBB https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1091 Thu, 25 Jul 2024 06:11:07 +0300 Sam]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1091

Lately one gym was opened close to where I live, and it has the following machines:

Vertical press
Horizontal press
Vertical pull
Horizontal pull
Squat
Multipurpose machine (hack squat, split squat and traps, yes, a strange combo)
Seated biceps curl
Seated triceps machine
Ab machine

I can do pretty much any kind of a split with these machines. Of course, my favorite has been biceps, triceps and traps and then to the beach But seriously, you can improvise with these things too. Calves can be done with the squat machine; with the vertical pulley thing you can use different grips to target the exercise differently. As said, this is a game changer especially when compared to the outside gyms I have mostly seen in my country. Have you bumped into similar ones?]]>

Lately one gym was opened close to where I live, and it has the following machines:

Vertical press
Horizontal press
Vertical pull
Horizontal pull
Squat
Multipurpose machine (hack squat, split squat and traps, yes, a strange combo)
Seated biceps curl
Seated triceps machine
Ab machine

I can do pretty much any kind of a split with these machines. Of course, my favorite has been biceps, triceps and traps and then to the beach But seriously, you can improvise with these things too. Calves can be done with the squat machine; with the vertical pulley thing you can use different grips to target the exercise differently. As said, this is a game changer especially when compared to the outside gyms I have mostly seen in my country. Have you bumped into similar ones?]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1089 Sat, 02 Mar 2024 10:12:27 +0200 Sam]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1089
I have been training quite a long time. The first training “program” I remember was very simple. I was a young kid (under 10 years) when I started Aikido with my friend. I don’t remember that much about Aikido, but what I do remember is that we did a little bit of strength and conditioning stuff during every session. To me the strength stuff was always the highlight of the whole session. It was a very basic circuit kind of a thing, pushups, abs, stretches in between, things like that. I liked it a lot and I often felt I wanted to more.

So very quickly I started to implement the same stuff at home. Pushups vere easy to do at home, but abs were more difficult to do because without a soft pad, they fuck up the skin of your back. Then I got an exercise mat as a present. The mat had pictures of couple of exercises on it with rep and set recommendation. I don’t really remember how but I eventually ended up with the following “program”:

Pushups 4 x 25
Ab crunches 4 x 25
Floor Hyperextensions 4 x 25
It took some time and trial and error to get to those numbers. I think I experimented with daily training and higher numbers, but in the end, 4 x 25 every other day seemed to be the best.

Positives:

-         This was my first “own” program, it felt good to figure it out all by myself even though it was very simple (this was before the internet etc.)
-         I think it build my chest at least a bit, can’t never be sure about it, but chest is still after decades by far my best musclegroup
-         I learned some basics of strength training, not the worst starting point, especially for a child
-         I felt really good when doing this stuff, maybe this was the start of my exercise addiction
-         Friends flet that  I looked “muscular”

Negatives:

-         The program was very unbalanced (no pull, no legs)
-         My technique wasn’t the best, the more I did, the quicker I started to go through the movements

Overall, at times I still feel i could go back to this. I think it would be enough to look okay. The program was easy to start and do, took very little time and you could pretty much do it anywhere and without much equipment. I don’t really do the IF-Then thinking too often. But the biggest regret about this program is that it was so unbalanced. IF I would have incorporated something for legs and some pulling stuff THEN I would have had a pretty decent baseline going on. But at the time all of us kids were very active and outside all the time, so legs got a ton of exercise daily, running, playing, cycling etc. so that wasn’t really too bad. But the lack of pulling was a bad thing, and unfortunately it continued many years for me.

In hindsight I learned that the technique wasn't really that important when you get familiar with the exercises. I did the movements pretty fast, but I felt I was in control, and I got some results out of it, even friends saw those results (at least they said they did). Although the level of competition wasn't very high. Last thing I'll say is that I think bodyweight / calisthenics stuff really work well for kids, especially now that I have a young kid of my own. Some people are afraid of kids doing any strength training, but in my opinion they really should be doing that from a very young age, at least a little bit.]]>
I have been training quite a long time. The first training “program” I remember was very simple. I was a young kid (under 10 years) when I started Aikido with my friend. I don’t remember that much about Aikido, but what I do remember is that we did a little bit of strength and conditioning stuff during every session. To me the strength stuff was always the highlight of the whole session. It was a very basic circuit kind of a thing, pushups, abs, stretches in between, things like that. I liked it a lot and I often felt I wanted to more.

So very quickly I started to implement the same stuff at home. Pushups vere easy to do at home, but abs were more difficult to do because without a soft pad, they fuck up the skin of your back. Then I got an exercise mat as a present. The mat had pictures of couple of exercises on it with rep and set recommendation. I don’t really remember how but I eventually ended up with the following “program”:

Pushups 4 x 25
Ab crunches 4 x 25
Floor Hyperextensions 4 x 25
It took some time and trial and error to get to those numbers. I think I experimented with daily training and higher numbers, but in the end, 4 x 25 every other day seemed to be the best.

Positives:

-         This was my first “own” program, it felt good to figure it out all by myself even though it was very simple (this was before the internet etc.)
-         I think it build my chest at least a bit, can’t never be sure about it, but chest is still after decades by far my best musclegroup
-         I learned some basics of strength training, not the worst starting point, especially for a child
-         I felt really good when doing this stuff, maybe this was the start of my exercise addiction
-         Friends flet that  I looked “muscular”

Negatives:

-         The program was very unbalanced (no pull, no legs)
-         My technique wasn’t the best, the more I did, the quicker I started to go through the movements

Overall, at times I still feel i could go back to this. I think it would be enough to look okay. The program was easy to start and do, took very little time and you could pretty much do it anywhere and without much equipment. I don’t really do the IF-Then thinking too often. But the biggest regret about this program is that it was so unbalanced. IF I would have incorporated something for legs and some pulling stuff THEN I would have had a pretty decent baseline going on. But at the time all of us kids were very active and outside all the time, so legs got a ton of exercise daily, running, playing, cycling etc. so that wasn’t really too bad. But the lack of pulling was a bad thing, and unfortunately it continued many years for me.

In hindsight I learned that the technique wasn't really that important when you get familiar with the exercises. I did the movements pretty fast, but I felt I was in control, and I got some results out of it, even friends saw those results (at least they said they did). Although the level of competition wasn't very high. Last thing I'll say is that I think bodyweight / calisthenics stuff really work well for kids, especially now that I have a young kid of my own. Some people are afraid of kids doing any strength training, but in my opinion they really should be doing that from a very young age, at least a little bit.]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1087 Tue, 22 Aug 2023 15:18:25 +0300 Simple Simon]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1087 "Mighty" Mike Quinn Has Died at 61

"He was also notably outspoken about "taboo" subjects in the industry, such as steroid use"


"In her memorial post, [his sister] Kellie Quinn writes, "After a long illness, my brother Mike, a.k.a. "Mighty Mike Quinn", has received his angel wings. Michael touched many lives, and will be missed. We'll love you always, Kellie."

An exact cause of death is not currently known at this time, but it's clear from Kellie's post that Mike has been battling an illness."

"He was in a relationship at the time of his death, although the identity of his girlfriend is currently unknown."]]> "Mighty" Mike Quinn Has Died at 61

"He was also notably outspoken about "taboo" subjects in the industry, such as steroid use"


"In her memorial post, [his sister] Kellie Quinn writes, "After a long illness, my brother Mike, a.k.a. "Mighty Mike Quinn", has received his angel wings. Michael touched many lives, and will be missed. We'll love you always, Kellie."

An exact cause of death is not currently known at this time, but it's clear from Kellie's post that Mike has been battling an illness."

"He was in a relationship at the time of his death, although the identity of his girlfriend is currently unknown."]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1078 Thu, 02 Dec 2021 02:53:10 +0200 Simple Simon]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1078 Aptos resident Dave Draper, an iconic, former world-class bodybuilder, dies at 79 – Santa Cruz Sentinel[url=https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2021/11/30/aptos-resident-dave-draper-an-iconic-former-world-class-bodybuilder-dies-at-79/][/url]]]> Aptos resident Dave Draper, an iconic, former world-class bodybuilder, dies at 79 – Santa Cruz Sentinel[url=https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2021/11/30/aptos-resident-dave-draper-an-iconic-former-world-class-bodybuilder-dies-at-79/][/url]]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1059 Tue, 23 Feb 2021 04:52:29 +0200 Flip109]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1059
https://nattyornot.com/the-art-of-traini...al-effort/

I am 40 and have been all over the place training wise. Besides a few college years I’ve been lifting weights for 25+ years. Bodybuilding, powerlifting, CrossFit, all of it. I reached my genetic potential mid 20’s, but forever chased the dream. Everything past that has been just workout jerking off I swear. Article is spot on! Chasing that last 10% of your natural potential is such a slippery and dreadful slope.]]>
https://nattyornot.com/the-art-of-traini...al-effort/

I am 40 and have been all over the place training wise. Besides a few college years I’ve been lifting weights for 25+ years. Bodybuilding, powerlifting, CrossFit, all of it. I reached my genetic potential mid 20’s, but forever chased the dream. Everything past that has been just workout jerking off I swear. Article is spot on! Chasing that last 10% of your natural potential is such a slippery and dreadful slope.]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1058 Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:58:37 +0200 Rickley]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1058 I can't do squats and deadlifts due to back issues.]]> I can't do squats and deadlifts due to back issues.]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1051 Wed, 27 Jan 2021 19:17:03 +0200 Rickley]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1051
What are the alternatives?]]>
What are the alternatives?]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1043 Mon, 26 Oct 2020 22:12:38 +0200 big_loser]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1043
I imagine that i if he decided to cut to a true 10% (on a DEXA), all those 19lbs of "lean mass" (water, blood volume) would vanish and he'd probably weigh in close to ~180-190. I'm 6'2" as well and hit 10% at 180lbs.


If only it were possible to continue gaining actual contractile tissue without using steroids... ]]>
I imagine that i if he decided to cut to a true 10% (on a DEXA), all those 19lbs of "lean mass" (water, blood volume) would vanish and he'd probably weigh in close to ~180-190. I'm 6'2" as well and hit 10% at 180lbs.


If only it were possible to continue gaining actual contractile tissue without using steroids... ]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1042 Sun, 11 Oct 2020 00:53:55 +0300 Simple Simon]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1042 30 Lies Of Bodybuilding!

Just not sure about one of them.)]]> 30 Lies Of Bodybuilding!

Just not sure about one of them.)]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1038 Fri, 11 Sep 2020 02:28:26 +0300 Rickley]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1038
What are some equipment for weighted pushups and weighted pullups? Also are dips required as I don't have a dip bar. What are bodyweight options for overhead press? I am not adviced to do handstand pushups.]]>
What are some equipment for weighted pushups and weighted pullups? Also are dips required as I don't have a dip bar. What are bodyweight options for overhead press? I am not adviced to do handstand pushups.]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1020 Thu, 09 Jul 2020 10:51:34 +0300 Simple Simon]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1020 https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1007 Mon, 27 Apr 2020 13:07:10 +0300 Navigator]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1007
https://archive.org/details/BronsonSolitaryFitness/mode/2up

Site is legal and you can read scanned book material for free

Lots of excellent, original, and somewhat bizarre and strange ideas for simple, yet effective workouts without or with minimal space and equipment
Lots of isometrics - which is curious
Try some routines from the book, some of them are very intense - you will be fried ]]>
https://archive.org/details/BronsonSolitaryFitness/mode/2up

Site is legal and you can read scanned book material for free

Lots of excellent, original, and somewhat bizarre and strange ideas for simple, yet effective workouts without or with minimal space and equipment
Lots of isometrics - which is curious
Try some routines from the book, some of them are very intense - you will be fried ]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1004 Fri, 17 Apr 2020 20:05:53 +0300 big_loser]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1004
I'm interested in improving on the following lifts: deadlift (~400lb 1rm), weighted pullup (bw+90lb 1rm), weighted dip (bw+~105lb 4rm), bench press, overhead press. Do you think it's a better idea to try to train all of them simultaneously or to pick 2-3 to progress on then swap them out for different ones? I'm a big fan of high-frequency programs like the ones from Pavel but for the last few years have been doing more bodybuilding style training.

Thanks.]]>
I'm interested in improving on the following lifts: deadlift (~400lb 1rm), weighted pullup (bw+90lb 1rm), weighted dip (bw+~105lb 4rm), bench press, overhead press. Do you think it's a better idea to try to train all of them simultaneously or to pick 2-3 to progress on then swap them out for different ones? I'm a big fan of high-frequency programs like the ones from Pavel but for the last few years have been doing more bodybuilding style training.

Thanks.]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1003 Wed, 15 Apr 2020 00:13:07 +0300 big_loser]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1003
The question is do you think deloads are necessary for the easier upper body lifts: bench press/weighted pull-ups/dips/overhead press? By deload I mean like a full week at a really easy weight (60% or so) or even a week off. I don't feel that those stress my CNS nearly as much as deadlifts but still my inclination is to incorporate de-loading anyway.]]>
The question is do you think deloads are necessary for the easier upper body lifts: bench press/weighted pull-ups/dips/overhead press? By deload I mean like a full week at a really easy weight (60% or so) or even a week off. I don't feel that those stress my CNS nearly as much as deadlifts but still my inclination is to incorporate de-loading anyway.]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1002 Tue, 14 Apr 2020 22:28:52 +0300 lemmings]]> https://nattyornotforum.com/showthread.php?tid=1002