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Arthur Jones' redpill on training equipment and exercise variety
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Arthur Jones quote (after he sold his gym equipment company Nautilus for millions of dollars):

"Apart from a rather limited number of hardcore bodybuilders who are misguided enough to believe that they have a chance to compete against the outright genetic freaks that now dominate bodybuilding competition, just about anybody else in this country can produce nearly all of the potential benefits of proper exercise without spending much if anything in excess of about twenty dollars. You can build both a chinning bar and a pair of parallel dip bars for a total cost of only a few dollars, and those two exercises, chins and dips, if properly performed, will stimulate muscular growth in your upper body and arms that will eventually lead to muscular size and strength that is very close to your potential.

Adding full squats, eventually leading up to one-legged full squats, and one-legged calf raises, will do much the same thing for your legs and hips. Using this very simple routine, when you get strong enough to perform about ten repetitions of one-armed chins with each arm, your arms will leave very little to be desired. Or, instead, you can do what many thousands of others are now doing and piss away thousands of dollars and years of largely wasted effort while producing far less results. The choice is yours. One of the best pair of arms that I ever saw on a man belonged to a guy that I knew about fifty years ago in New York, and he never performed any sort of exercise apart from chins and dips, and damned few of them."
 - Arthur Jones in 1996
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#2
Machines and isolation movements are a scam. They only work for the drug assisted.
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#3
The rest of the article where that quote comes from also has some accurate insights into society as a whole: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...RhpcmAaYwA
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(02-08-2020, 08:35 AM)Simple Simon Wrote: Machines and isolation movements are a scam. They only work for the drug assisted.

False.

Machines and isolation movements help increase your weekly volume without jeopardizing your CNS recovery or systematic recovery altogether. They are meant as finishing exercises and/or rehab, and not as mass builders. They also help increase fluid balance within your muscles,through inflammation, (aka Pump) which will indirectly  lead to muscle growth.


Obviously, if all you care is strength doing tons of isolation or machine work will be a huge waste of time, because they wont make you strong.
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#5
Arthur Jones, bless his soul, was a little bit eccentric.
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#6
His views that some sort of "inverse evolution" is taking place is silly and comes from misunderstanding evolution in the first place. Evolution goes on, it's just that environment changed so much that what was once considered a fit, now isn't. The fact that we changed the environment and now some may say it's "artificial" doesn't matter. Now we have to adapt more to culture rather than nature. I don't understand this longing to times when everything was more violent, brutal and lethal. I see it as a way to pretend to be a "tough guy" without deeper insights into the matter.

PS: Isolation is fine and great for hypertrophy.
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(02-08-2020, 10:57 AM)lemmings Wrote: The rest of the article where that quotes comes from also has some accurate insights into society as a whole: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...RhpcmAaYwA

The link doesn't work.

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(02-10-2020, 04:26 PM)Brett Wrote: The link doesn't work.

Here's the text:

"It should by now be obvious to everybody apart from a rather long list of idiots in academia and the so-called “Social
Services” that what you CAN BE is determined entirely by your genetics; in effect, a lion cub cannot grow up to be a
horse, regardless of what happens after birth. But it has, in general, been overlooked that genetics has an enormous
influence on what you WILL BE.

Certain basic requirements for survival, things like food, water, air and sleep, all of which must be provided by the
environment, obviously have an influence upon what we WILL BE; but, given those basic requirements, what we
actually WILL BE is still primarily determined by genetics. You can do absolutely nothing in the way of changing what
you CAN BE, and far less than you probably believe in the way of changing what you WILL BE. But since those
undeniable facts do not serve the purpose of supporting the utterly insane theories of the outright idiots who are now
running damned near everything in this country, the scientific community, academia and the government, you will be
hard pressed to find any support for that simple truth.

The solution? Quite frankly, I do not believe that a solution exists, I believe that things have gone so far in the wrong
direction that a return to anything even close to sanity is no longer possible. As somebody once said . . . “Cheer up,
things could be worse; so I cheered up, and, sure enough, things got worse.”

The millions of years of evolution that were required to bring us to where we were about sixty years ago was solidly
based upon a very simple principle: survival of the fittest, which, of course, also meant that the unfit or least-fit did not
survive. Breeding of animals and even the development of improved plants is still conducted almost universally with
that principle clearly in mind, with one exception: today, when dealing with people, we have reverted to inverse
evolution, the survival of the least fit and the unfit. Feeling sorry for idiots and criminals will not turn them into
productive, honest people; we are now far past the point where we should be concerned only with the needs of the
“good people” while letting the “bad people” go to hell, where they belong.

The problem then, of course, becomes one of “who decides,” who separates the good from the bad; but that is, or
should be, a decision that people make for themselves; in effect, people should be permitted, even forced if necessary,
to sink or swim based entirely upon their own demonstrated merits and capabilities.

Today, in this country alone, hundreds of millions of dollars are being literally stolen from people every year, stolen by
convincing millions of people that they can do things that are impossible, things that are possible for a few people but
that are impossible for most people. But if you believe that this situation is bad at the moment, that the government
should somehow regulate it, then be advised that any attempt by the government to impose regulation on the field of
exercise will make things far worse rather than better. Again the situation comes down to a case of “who decides,” and
just who, if anybody, now associated with the government in any capacity knows anything of value about exercise?
NOBODY. Just because some group of idiots calling themselves “experts” appoints some other idiot to a position from
which he can force his stupid opinions down the throats of the public it does not follow that anything will be improved;
the only thing you can count on as a result of such a move is the fact that the government will hire a few thousand other
idiots and give them the authority to fuck up your life even more than it already is, and, of course, the fact that a few
more billion dollars will be pissed away to no good purpose."

The rest of the article is what Mass_Bixo posted.
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#9
The point is not if isolation or machine exercises "work" or don't... Obviously if you are contracting your muscles in a decent range of motion against resistance it will produce a hypertrophy stimulus, no matter it is compound, isolation, bodyweight, barbell, machine...
The point is that all the variety of exercises and equipment in the world will not make you have a greater muscle potential compared to just doing a few basic exercises.

(02-11-2020, 10:43 AM)lemmings Wrote: Today, in this country alone, hundreds of millions of dollars are being literally stolen from people every year, stolen by
convincing millions of people that they can do things that are impossible, things that are possible for a few people but
that are impossible for most people. But if you believe that this situation is bad at the moment, that the government
should somehow regulate it, then be advised that any attempt by the government to impose regulation on the field of
exercise will make things far worse rather than better. Again the situation comes down to a case of “who decides,” and
just who, if anybody, now associated with the government in any capacity knows anything of value about exercise?
NOBODY. Just because some group of idiots calling themselves “experts” appoints some other idiot to a position from
which he can force his stupid opinions down the throats of the public it does not follow that anything will be improved;
the only thing you can count on as a result of such a move is the fact that the government will hire a few thousand other
idiots and give them the authority to fuck up your life even more than it already is, and, of course, the fact that a few
more billion dollars will be pissed away to no good purpose."

This is true in so many fields.
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#10
Arthur Jones sounds like a frustrated natural. Over decades, he kept recommending shorter and shorter workouts. However, he kept getting smaller and smaller. All his research, and all his machines, and he kept getting smaller. Finally he says just spend $20 and do chin-ups and dips. If HIT was so great, why was Arthur the incredible shrinking man?
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