The Amount of People on TRT is Larger Than You Think

[TruthSeeker]

Steroids are no longer some mystery drug. There are many men who are injecting TRT doses (100-200mg) as we speak. They do not look suspicious but still carry a decent amount of extra mass that would not be there without the drugs. 10kg of pure muscle is a lot but still under the radar. 

I've seen people in the gym who would be labeled as "novice lifters" by the Internet standards. Yet they are injecting and technically past their natural potential. 

There are also many men in their late 30s who begin the injection process - some are tired naturals who no longer care about some of the side effects associates with steroids and know that all those 5x5 routines or whatever are nowhere nearly as effective as advertised. Those would be guys who train like cowards in the eyes of some recently red pilled kid who has just found the magic of Rippetoe and barbell bends.

I call those people shadow pinners. They are likely spy agents - you can't always see them, but they are there.

[Brett]

What would be the side effects/dangers of being on low TRT?

[TruthSeeker]

What would be the side effects/dangers of being on low TRT?

Mainly shut down natural production of testosterone.

[khrazz]

Mainly shut down natural production of testosterone.

I am a shadow pinner (reasons i have already stated in this forum). Tbh if you go by what the doctor advises you, you will  experience close to zero side effects (but that could be me having a good metabolism, i could be an exception - also age plays a huge part in drug metabolism). You cant shut down your own production with trt, because trt dosage is spaced evenly during the week . What this means is that you body still produces its own testosterone, in conjuction with the "extra" you receive from the needle. What causes a testosterone production shut down is when you go above physiological levels (that is, above 870ng/dl) and stay the for a good amount of time - THATS when you experience a shut down.

With trt however, and thats something i have personally experienced, is reduced sperm count. Now thats not bad if you dont wanna have children in the perceived future, however it can become a problem (also according to my doctor, it could also cause permanent sterilization) however thats something that happens mostly to bodybuilders who inject megadoses plus the stacking of other drugs - however its a possibility .


Btw, 100-200mg a week is NOT trt, dont let anyone fool you into believing this bs. This is a minor steroid cycle. There are some youtubers (moreplatesmoredates is one of them) that self administers trt with weekly shots

True trt is 50-70mg/week. As an example, i take enanthate once every 28 days, if you do the math thats 250/4 = 62.5mg every week. Now bodybuilders and steroid gurus would laugh at such a dosage, and many will tell you that such space between shots is bad because you dont have "stable blood levels of testerone" . This is indeed true, but what they dont tell you is that the more shots you do, the more the shut down that happens. However the more stable blood levels, the more anabolic the drug becomes (this is why stacking steroids provides bigger anabolic benefits compared to doing a cycle with only 1 )

[Brett]

I am a shadow pinner (reasons i have already stated in this forum). Tbh if you go by what the doctor advises you, you will  experience close to zero side effects (but that could be me having a good metabolism, i could be an exception - also age plays a huge part in drug metabolism). You cant shut down your own production with trt, because trt dosage is spaced evenly during the week . What this means is that you body still produces its own testosterone, in conjuction with the "extra" you receive from the needle. What causes a testosterone production shut down is when you go above physiological levels (that is, above 870ng/dl) and stay the for a good amount of time - THATS when you experience a shut down.

With trt however, and thats something i have personally experienced, is reduced sperm count. Now thats not bad if you dont wanna have children in the perceived future, however it can become a problem (also according to my doctor, it could also cause permanent sterilization) however thats something that happens mostly to bodybuilders who inject megadoses plus the stacking of other drugs - however its a possibility .


Btw, 100-200mg a week is NOT trt, dont let anyone fool you into believing this bs. This is a minor steroid cycle. There are some youtubers (moreplatesmoredates is one of them) that self administers trt with weekly shots

True trt is 50-70mg/week. As an example, i take enanthate once every 28 days, if you do the math thats 250/4 = 62.5mg every week. Now bodybuilders and steroid gurus would laugh at such a dosage, and many will tell you that such space between shots is bad because you dont have "stable blood levels of testerone" . This is indeed true, but what they dont tell you is that the more shots you do, the more the shut down that happens. However the more stable blood levels, the more anabolic the drug becomes (this is why stacking steroids provides bigger anabolic benefits compared to doing a cycle with only 1 )

Thank you Khrazz for that detailed responce on trt. I do remember your predicament that you shared with us. 
Based on your personal experience would you say that a guy on trt (under 100mg) can experience similiar muscle mass gains like a guy on 100 - 200 mg and what would be the difference in rough numbers?

[khrazz]

Thank you Khrazz for that detailed responce on trt. I do remember your predicament that you shared with us. 
Based on your personal experience would you say that a guy on trt (under 100mg) can experience similiar muscle mass gains like a guy on 100 - 200 mg and what would be the difference in rough numbers?

Yes he will, but the muscle mass increase will be small - like 5-7lbs at the most. TRT improves insulin sensitivity, and we all know that insulin sensitivity is the n1 thing that makes a flabby bodybuilder into a mass freak. Now the guy under 100mg to the guy using 100mg every week, well the difference would not be huge in my opinion. Testosterone under 500mg is usually just a recovery aid, thanks to increased insulin sensitivity, nutrient partinioning, igf-1 etc. Its when you go 500mg+ of test for weeks that you start to add a lot of muscle without even workiing out (there are studies that prove that)


I am not gonna lie though, trt adds musicle to your frame. Not much, but it does. In my case, i gained around 5-7pounds. Thats not much (if you consider guys going on steroids and gain like 20pounds of lean tissue) but its still some extra mass that in other case would take me longer to get, not 8 months (this is how long it took for my weight to stabilize). Nowadays i still gain weight, but i dont think its due to trt anymore cause my body has reached a new homeostasis - something that happens to everybody even people on tons of drugs.  However i would pass as a natural 99.99% and even if i told you i use trt you would think i am lying (thats how brainwashed people have become to the effects of steroids) btw, i currently weight 75kilos, and my starting weight (before trt) was 67kg. Keep in mind, this mass is after 18months of constant trt, not just a solid month of use, and i am nowhere near to being lean (i am actually close to 17-18% bodyfat) 

If you want to learn more about trt, i am gonna refer you  this site https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/...pect.1792/

its more scientific (there are doctors there discussing stuff)

[Brett]

Yes he will, but the muscle mass increase will be small - like 5-7lbs at the most. TRT improves insulin sensitivity, and we all know that insulin sensitivity is the n1 thing that makes a flabby bodybuilder into a mass freak. Now the guy under 100mg to the guy using 100mg every week, well the difference would not be huge in my opinion. Testosterone under 500mg is usually just a recovery aid, thanks to increased insulin sensitivity, nutrient partinioning, igf-1 etc. Its when you go 500mg+ of test for weeks that you start to add a lot of muscle without even workiing out (there are studies that prove that)


I am not gonna lie though, trt adds musicle to your frame. Not much, but it does. In my case, i gained around 5-7pounds. Thats not much (if you consider guys going on steroids and gain like 20pounds of lean tissue) but its still some extra mass that in other case would take me longer to get, not 8 months (this is how long it took for my weight to stabilize). Nowadays i still gain weight, but i dont think its due to trt anymore cause my body has reached a new homeostasis - something that happens to everybody even people on tons of drugs.  However i would pass as a natural 99.99% and even if i told you i use trt you would think i am lying (thats how brainwashed people have become to the effects of steroids) btw, i currently weight 75kilos, and my starting weight (before trt) was 67kg. Keep in mind, this mass is after 18months of constant trt, not just a solid month of use, and i am nowhere near to being lean (i am actually close to 17-18% bodyfat) 

If you want to learn more about trt, i am gonna refer you  this site https://www.excelmale.com/forum/threads/...pect.1792/

its more scientific (there are doctors there discussing stuff)

What about for naturals - with regards to insulin sensitivity - can we manipulate it too based on diet?

If someone eats carbohydrates or high sugar foods throughout the day with small intervals their body will release lots of insulin, however they will be running the risk of becoming insulin resistent and becoming a diabetic, right?

So then would eating say only two large meals a day with a lengthly time period between the two meals make a natural more insulin sensitive and thus mean more (alas very minimal) muscle mass?

[khrazz]

What about for naturals - with regards to insulin sensitivity - can we manipulate it too based on diet?

If someone eats carbohydrates or high sugar foods throughout the day with small intervals their body will release lots of insulin, however they will be running the risk of becoming insulin resistent and becoming a diabetic, right?

So then would eating say only two large meals a day with a lengthly time period between the two meals make a natural more insulin sensitive and thus mean more (alas very minimal) muscle mass?

In my experience, what improves insulin sensitivity as far as lifestyle goes, is proper/quality sleep (7-8 hours), being physically active (weights AND cardio), plus eating whole grain foods, avoiding (or at least minimizing) fried foods, alcohol in moderation, no smoking, doing drugs etc. The classic advice you get ...

Now i am not a dietician, nor a sports physician, i study food technology and my knowledge of food is mostly based on my future job - however i took 2 classes on nutrition. There is a small list of foods that may improve IS (insulin sensitivity) but keep in mind that sleep, proper lifestyle, and nutrition are the pillars, and if you dont have proper pillars even if you use those food items you will get a very small effect, if any at all.
So here are what according to my book, foods that help IS, keep in mind those food items are tested on people with diabetes

Cinamon
Green Tea (catechins)
Black coffee
Yogurt
Whole grain food
Fruits with fiber (e.x green apple)
Omega-3 fatty acids


To answer your question on high sugar foods, yes you are right. If you constantly eat high sugar foods that is coupled with high amount of fat (e.x donuts) this can eventually lead to hyperglycemia and if you are not careful predispose you to obesity and diabetes. What improve IS is fiber - reason being that soluble fiber feeds your gut bacteria, making them release short chain fatty acids (butyric acid being one of them) . Those short chain fatty acids improve your IS and your overall health.
Now if you are working out and doing cardio, plus proper sleep, a high sugar diet wont do much harm - reason being, you are being active and your body cannot store something that needs to be burned as fuel. The only thing your body stores, and is very slow to burn, is fat. Carbs, if you are very active, tend to either be burned as energy or stored as muscle glycogen. Protein is used for MPS (if you weight lift) and maintenance of your bodys organs.




In my opinion you should just follow a proper diet, a proper sleep scedule and proper weightlifting program. Eating only 2 times a day wont provide you the energy you need to function properly - especially if you weight train, plus doing cardio. Dont think of anything else but the main pillars (proper nutrition, sleep, workouts). The items i listed can help, but their effect is small (but if used regularly they can make a small difference)

[Brett]

In my experience, what improves insulin sensitivity as far as lifestyle goes, is proper/quality sleep (7-8 hours), being physically active (weights AND cardio), plus eating whole grain foods, avoiding (or at least minimizing) fried foods, alcohol in moderation, no smoking, doing drugs etc. The classic advice you get ...

Now i am not a dietician, nor a sports physician, i study food technology and my knowledge of food is mostly based on my future job - however i took 2 classes on nutrition. There is a small list of foods that may improve IS (insulin sensitivity) but keep in mind that sleep, proper lifestyle, and nutrition are the pillars, and if you dont have proper pillars even if you use those food items you will get a very small effect, if any at all.
So here are what according to my book, foods that help IS, keep in mind those food items are tested on people with diabetes

Cinamon
Green Tea (catechins)
Black coffee
Yogurt
Whole grain food
Fruits with fiber (e.x green apple)
Omega-3 fatty acids


To answer your question on high sugar foods, yes you are right. If you constantly eat high sugar foods that is coupled with high amount of fat (e.x donuts) this can eventually lead to hyperglycemia and if you are not careful predispose you to obesity and diabetes. What improve IS is fiber - reason being that soluble fiber feeds your gut bacteria, making them release short chain fatty acids (butyric acid being one of them) . Those short chain fatty acids improve your IS and your overall health.
Now if you are working out and doing cardio, plus proper sleep, a high sugar diet wont do much harm - reason being, you are being active and your body cannot store something that needs to be burned as fuel. The only thing your body stores, and is very slow to burn, is fat. Carbs, if you are very active, tend to either be burned as energy or stored as muscle glycogen. Protein is used for MPS (if you weight lift) and maintenance of your bodys organs.




In my opinion you should just follow a proper diet, a proper sleep scedule and proper weightlifting program. Eating only 2 times a day wont provide you the energy you need to function properly - especially if you weight train, plus doing cardio. Dont think of anything else but the main pillars (proper nutrition, sleep, workouts). The items i listed can help, but their effect is small (but if used regularly they can make a small difference)

Thanks for the detailed reply again.

[Flip109]

Thanks for all the input khrazz!