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Beta Test Approach Strategy - Don't Ask For Her Number
#1
I am about to present a strategy that has been partially beta tested by me. I don't have the required stamina to keep doing this so I guess I will never give it 100%.

Anyway, here it is.

Don't Ask For Her Number


Summary. The seduction experts always press you to close with a number. "Get her number, bro."

A few times, I decided to skip that and simply tried to schedule a date during the approach. Why? Because I wanted to eliminate texting. Once you take the convo to the phone, you have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Texting does not build attraction - it either preserves it or kills it. Unless she discovers through your social media that you are a high status male, you have nothing to gain from taking the conversation there.

So, just don't ask for her number and schedule a date on the spot.

Benefits

- you are showing outcome independence - by dropping all contact data, you are essentially creating ONE opportunity only. It's either this or nothing. She either comes or not. This is it. No sending of stupid memes, pointless texts...etc. And certainly no social media stalking.

- you are asking her out right away - ultra-directness.

- she will have to reject you or accept you in your presence - she can't hide behind the phone

- you are very likely to remove all girls with low interest from the equation

FAQ

Q: Bro, what if she wants to come but fails to do so due to an accident of some sort?

A: Bro, I have been on more dates that I can count at this point. I have never stood anyone up and have always been on time (no more than 3-5 minutes late) except one single time - it was winter and the whole city was blocked by snow. I took me 30 minutes more to get there.

Chances are she did not come because she didn't want to. Sure, something may have happened, but the likelihood is too small.

Q: Bro, what if she doesn't come precisely because you don't have her contact and cannot hold her accountable?

A: If she doesn't come, it's because she didn't want to. It's as simple as that. Not having your number does not stimulate her to flake. It's all about attraction.

Q: Bro, what if she needs time to figure out when she is free?

A: She doesn't. Does she need five hours to figure out her next appointment at the dentist? No. She gives an hour and a date to the nurse or the dentist right away, and the next session is scheduled. No dentist is waiting more than a few minutes for a patient to figure out when the next appointment will be. It's all about priorities.

I am sick and tired of people rationalizing female behavior with distractions.

Listen, they are not distracted. They see all your messages no more than 3 hours after you send them (exception would be vacations ABROAD). They know when they are free and can schedule a date in a few days even if they have five exams that same week. Meeting someone for 30-60 minutes is always possible if there's desire.

Remember - excuses to meet you = she doesn't like you enough.
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#2
(04-16-2019, 08:12 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote: I am about to present a strategy that has been partially beta tested by me. I don't have the required stamina to keep doing this so I guess I will never give it 100%.

Anyway, here it is.

Don't Ask For Her Number


Summary. The seduction experts always press you to close with a number. "Get her number, bro."

A few times, I decided to skip that and simply tried to schedule a date during the approach. Why? Because I wanted to eliminate texting. Once you take the convo to the phone, you have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Texting does not build attraction - it either preserves it or kills it. Unless she discovers through your social media that you are a high status male, you have nothing to gain from taking the conversation there.

So, just don't ask for her number and schedule a date on the spot.

Benefits

- you are showing outcome independence - by dropping all contact data, you are essentially creating ONE opportunity only. It's either this or nothing. She either comes or not. This is it. No sending of stupid memes, pointless texts...etc. And certainly no social media stalking.

- you are asking her out right away - ultra-directness.

- she will have to reject you or accept you in your presence - she can't hide behind the phone

- you are very likely to remove all girls with low interest from the equation

FAQ

Q: Bro, what if she wants to come but fails to do so due to an accident of some sort?

A: Bro, I have been on more dates that I can count at this point. I have never stood anyone up and have always been on time (no more than 3-5 minutes late) except one single time - it was winter and the whole city was blocked by snow. I took me 30 minutes more to get there.

Chances are she did not come because she didn't want to. Sure, something may have happened, but the likelihood is too small.

Q: Bro, what if she doesn't come precisely because you don't have her contact and cannot hold her accountable?

A: If she doesn't come, it's because she didn't want to. It's as simple as that. Not having your number does not stimulate her to flake. It's all about attraction.

Q: Bro, what if she needs time to figure out when she is free?

A: She doesn't. Does she need five hours to figure out her next appointment at the dentist? No. She gives an hour and a date to the nurse or the dentist right away, and the next session is scheduled. No dentist is waiting more than a few minutes for a patient to figure out when the next appointment will be. It's all about priorities.

I am sick and tired of people rationalizing female behavior with distractions.

Listen, they are not distracted. They see all your messages no more than 3 hours after you send them (exception would be vacations ABROAD). They know when they are free and can schedule a date in a few days even if they have five exams that same week. Meeting someone for 30-60 minutes is always possible if there's desire.

Remember - excuses to meet you = she doesn't like you enough.

Agreed.

If she won't agree to sleep with you or go on a date with you in person, then why are you getting her number?

I actually never ask woman for their numbers anymore pretty much for the same reasons you mentioned.

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#3
(04-17-2019, 07:04 AM)Brett Wrote: Agreed.

If she won't agree to sleep with you or go on a date with you in person, then why are you getting her number?

I actually never ask woman for their numbers anymore pretty much for the same reasons you mentioned.

Because that is the old model. And people want to brag about the number of phones they've gotten. How many of those phones result in anything? 

Once you enter text mode, you demote yourself. I would bet a lot that the women that would agree to further development will do so even if you don't press for a number.
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#4
Basically grow some balls

“Fear destroyers our life to never experience. So tame it “
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#5
I see where you're coming from and it's an interesting take on the problem. However, to be honest, I don't see any advantages over the approach where you do get her contact info, exchange with her like 2-3 messages and then proceed to schedule a date, offering 2 opportunities (like "Wednesday evening" and "sometimes on the weekend"). If she "doesn't have time" and doesn't counter-offer, then fuck her. Trying to schedule the date on the spot is, in my opinion, unnecessary hassle and since it's not normal, it would come off as weird and would increase chance of flake. And the biggest problem I have with this - if she decides to flake, you wouldn't know. If you exchange contact info, even if she flakes, she will send at least a message with some lame excuse and you don't waste time waiting for her. I believe it's also very useful to find out how she communicates via text, since if the relationship will continue, you'll have to communicate with her anyway...
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(04-18-2019, 01:31 PM)small_natural Wrote: I see where you're coming from and it's an interesting take on the problem. However, to be honest, I don't see any advantages over the approach where you do get her contact info, exchange with her like 2-3 messages and then proceed to schedule a date, offering 2 opportunities (like "Wednesday evening" and "sometimes on the weekend"). If she "doesn't have time" and doesn't counter-offer, then fuck her. Trying to schedule the date on the spot is, in my opinion, unnecessary hassle and since it's not normal, it would come off as weird and would increase chance of flake. And the biggest problem I have with this - if she decides to flake, you wouldn't know. If you exchange contact info, even if she flakes, she will send at least a message with some lame excuse and you don't waste time waiting for her. I believe it's also very useful to find out how she communicates via text, since if the relationship will continue, you'll have to communicate with her anyway...

You can do damage control by scheduling a date close to a place where you will be anyway. That's what I have been doing in the recent past. All my dates offers are for 18:45 at the same place. So, if you are already there and wait 10-15 minutes for her, you are not losing time worth talking about.

If you need 1 hour to get to the date place, it is a problem.

Besides, text confirmation does not always equal a secured date. They can always bail out.

Never be surprised by females' behavior. And certainly don't expect them to have honor.
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#7
I see the advantages now! That's some clever planning on your side. Almost zero psychical and time investment and if the girl comes, it's safe to say she's quite interested. Thanks for the idea, good to know.

(04-19-2019, 08:52 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote: Besides, text confirmation does not always equal a secured date. They can always bail out.

Never be surprised by females' behavior. And certainly don't expect them to have honor.

From my experience, the flake rate with text confirmation is around 7%. 93% chance she comes is good enough for me, that's why I have always preferred the "text approach". But I know the percentage will differ for everybody and depends on many variables. The thing with honor is spot-on, they should teach that in school Smile
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#8
doing this online and in person now ill tell you what my results were . I am just going to work on myself
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#9
UWhat’s your ultimate aim with all this dating? Dating is torture.
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#10
(05-24-2019, 11:35 PM)RedPillOverdose Wrote: UWhat’s your ultimate aim with all this dating? Dating is torture.
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love give life is meaning relationship or friendship and family love . it hierarchy psychological need  . tbh I know lot people happy in love it does work . experince of getting hurt stop you making mistake's pain is good it's why nattyornot is here to day
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