Would paying for sex be wrong?

[locutus24]

Some men may not have much of a choice if they want sex. If a guy is very ugly no woman will want him so the best he can get is paid sex.

[RedPillOverdose]

Some men may not have much of a choice if they want sex. If a guy is very ugly no woman will want him so the best he can get is paid sex.

An option is asking out or getting arranged with an ugly woman.

[locutus24]

An option is asking out or getting arranged with an ugly woman.

Very few men I know would consider that worthwhile. Imo ugly women have no business mating and spreading genes that seem invaluable.

[RedPillOverdose]

Very few men I know would consider that worthwhile. Imo ugly women have no business mating and spreading genes that seem invaluable.

We’re talking ugly women here. And one only needs to spend enough time outside to see many ugly men with ugly women. 

Ugly men and women spread they’re genes around a lot.

[Hans]

An option is asking out or getting arranged with an ugly woman.

Hahaha ... This is so typical male thinking ;) (no offense, I often do the same).

No woman would say, I'm ugly so I need to date low-status men. They always try to date upwards and they always think they can. Social media plus lack of manliness in western societies really made many of them completely delusional with respect to their value in the dating market.

If they end up with a low-status man (only in disgust), then just because they haven't done better *yet*.

I don't want to argue that looks are very beneficial to attract women (so do the best you can), but if you become older (30+) then money, status (he's an architect, huhu ...), and your personality (charisma, confidence, wit, ...) can compensate a lot. And if you're still young then it's up to *you* to carve out those attributes.

Also, sometimes, what's lacking is not looks but simply opportunities to meet women in a relaxed (non-dating) atmosphere (your playground so to speak).

And lastly: Please, do yourself a favor and don't get together with a girl you don't want to fuck. That's so depressing. I would rather die alone but in dignity than ever come close to one of those disgusting Moby-Dicks. If a woman is ugly, it's almost always her fault. So don't reward her for her laziness.

[RedPillOverdose]

Hahaha ... This is so typical male thinking (no offense, I often do the same).

No woman would say, I'm ugly so I need to date low-status men. They always try to date upwards and they always think they can. Social media plus lack of manliness in western societies really made many of them completely delusional with respect to their value in the dating market.

If they end up with a low-status man (only in disgust), then just because they haven't done better *yet*.

I don't want to argue that looks are very beneficial to attract women (so do the best you can), but if you become older (30+) then money, status (he's an architect, huhu ...), and your personality (charisma, confidence, wit, ...) can compensate a lot. And if you're still young then it's up to *you* to carve out those attributes.

Also, sometimes, what's lacking is not looks but simply opportunities to meet women in a relaxed (non-dating) atmosphere (your playground so to speak).

And lastly: Please, do yourself a favor and don't get together with a girl you don't want to fuck. That's so depressing. I would rather die alone but in dignity than ever come close to one of those disgusting Moby-Dicks. If a woman is ugly, it's almost always her fault. So don't reward her for her laziness.

Yes, this is true. But many men are realistic. They know they’re not handsome or rich, do they get someone who matches them, as they should!

Unattractive men hitting on very pretty women make themselves look desperate and silly!

And as said several times, many men these days are hypergamous. Porn, social media, advertising, and film, and TV have warped their brain and they desire or think they have a shot with gorgeous women. Most don’t. So instead of being ridiculous, they go for a woman who matches them. The vast majority of couples are of ordinary men with ordinary women. And there’s far more to marriage than physical attraction and sex. That whole strongman narrative, “I’ll die alone” will be painful in reality.

[locutus24]

Would also rather die alone with dignity.

[RedPillOverdose]

Would also rather die alone with dignity.

It might work for you.

 We were talking about ugly men, who reasonably wind up with ugly women. That’s not undignified.

[locutus24]

It might work for you.

 We were talking about ugly men, who reasonably wind up with ugly women. That’s not undignified.

Fair enough!

[Hans]

Yes, this is true. But many men are realistic. They know they’re not handsome or rich, do they get someone who matches them, as they should!

Unattractive men hitting on very pretty women make themselves look desperate and silly!

And as said several times, many men these days are hypergamous. Porn, social media, advertising, and film, and TV have warped their brain and they desire or think they have a shot with gorgeous women. Most don’t. So instead of being ridiculous, they go for a woman who matches them. The vast majority of couples are of ordinary men with ordinary women. And there’s far more to marriage than physical attraction and sex. That whole strongman narrative, “I’ll die alone” will be painful in reality.

Should I ever encounter a man without a girlfriend/wife who tells me that the reason why he's single is because he cannot get the girls he wants but he also doesn't want the girls he could get, I would clap him on his shoulders for being that honest, confident, and respectful. As long as he's working towards his goals I would find that attitude admirable.

In my opinion, unless a man wants to have a child (hopefully at the age of 30+), he has no business spending his precious time, energy, and money with a woman he doesn't find attractive.

The most valuable advice I could give a younger version of myself (say at 18y) would be to work on your career (money) and looks (do the best you can; definitely doable for most guys), become more social (find opportunity to spend some time with people, but don't lose focus; becoming easy with people is one of the most useful skills you can acquire), and finally, just take the damn pain (if you play it right, that 18-28y period will be the worst period in your life, so fail often, learn, and struggle through).

Don't consider to have a serious relationship (something you're willing to invest into) until you're mid 30 or so.