There comes a time when you have to realize - It's NOT Your Fault

[TruthSeeker]

Dating is an enormous waste of time and energy and precisely why some cultures and rich people have formally or softly arranged marriages got their children.

I agree. All forms of dating are pure cancer for your soul.

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Will these PUA gurus ever go extinct? Can't they just slit their wrists or hang themselves since their lives are so miserable and they spread their infectious disease to innocent bystanders who frequent the internet too much? It must happen. If a PUA guy goes inactive online, he must have realized his life is a lie and hung himself in his mom's basement right after fapping to the women he paid to be standing next to him in his slaying pics on his website. 

Sometimes I despise these men more than the women they despise. They have a hive mind just like feminists do. They are basically an isomorphism (equivalent) to feminists when it comes to blaming and hating. Except replace male with female when it comes to blaming. Not arguing whose to blame (objectively females should be blamed more) but they act the same way. 

I always thought the manosphere empowers feminists even more cause they give the women a more substantial male stereotype to attack in the media. Sure, the man's movement may have some more numbers each year, but feedback loop and you get more feminists to double up on these manosphere guys. They are outnumbered by feminists and feminist-supporters (made up of lots of men) and they don't seem to be winning anything. They think they are. Roosh and his small army of manhood saviors see themselves as crusaders against the feminists. I even saw an ad with their faces inserted over US soldiers' bodies. It's ridiculous. Maybe a handful of them might be okay at slaying (infrequently), but all the others lie or exaggerate big time. 

SS (BB shutzstaffel) forum. Mehdi the savior of natties who loves squats and believes that trunk leg men are the idealized male while captain upper bodies are the disgusting and undesirable ones. BTW Mehdi has a nice workout room in his parent's garage. He has nice parents!

No, they won't. They will remain here for a long time because the dynamics will not change in the next 5 years at least.

[locutus24]

I agree. All forms of dating are pure cancer for your soul.

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No, they won't. They will remain here for a long time because the dynamics will not change in the next 5 years at least.

A small prison sentence!

[Hans]

Should I laugh or should I cry about current state of manliness? I really don't know ... some competitors less, yes, but those suckers still ruin the game for the rest of us. How sad :(

[locutus24]

Should I laugh or should I cry about current state of manliness? I really don't know ... some competitors less, yes, but those suckers still ruin the game for the rest of us. How sad

You do both. That's manliness in USA! I don't laugh or have a scruffy beard so I am not a man! 

[Simple Simon]

Off topic. I used to believe the reason I didn't look like the men in Weider's magazines was because I wasn't consuming (Weider's) protein every three hours, so my body was eating away all the lean mass the Weider training principles were building.

But as a teenager, I believed everything I read. I didn't think people lied - lying was something evil people do.

[khrazz]

If you are a man, you have certainly faced a lot of criticism in regards to your dating skills. 

Whenever things do not work out, everyone blames you. Even men. In fact, most men behave like uncle Tom when it comes to your failures - they sign with the enemy even though they are in the same boat as you.

You didn't send the right message. You used too many emoticons. You didn't use any emoticons. Your jokes were stupid. You sent your text at the wrong hour of the day. You ordered the wrong wine. You paid the bill. You didn't pay the bill...etc.

Eventually, you will realize that explaining all failures with your actions is the scam played on men. You are guilty by default. 
 

The "advice" that people are going to give you is no different than tinkering your sets and reps in the gym. You do 5x5 and you fail to grow? It's because 5x5 is for powerlifters. You need more volume. You do 3x10 and you don't grow? It's because this is for professional bodybuilders on tons of steroids. Essentially, they are treating you like a retard. 

Here's an example of date related tinkering:

Date 1

It was a coffee date. I know that this is a beta thing, but it was cold and we had to be indoors. I know that a true alpha would have suggested his mansion, but I am not a true alpha. 

The date went fine. She laughed a lot, although that means absolutely nothing. If I am in the mood, I can be funny (a quality that only the circus appreciates). 

I wrote her 2 hours after the date that I want to meet her again - no response. I was totally ghosted. 

P.S. I was dressed normally for that date.

Date 2

It was pretty much the same thing, except that she was more into me or so it seemed. I looked very good that day. Probably as good as I could ever look. The waitress checked me out. I am not kidding. 

I decided to write her back after 1 day. I didn't write her, however. I just called her. She didn't pick up. I was totally ghosted.

I asked a female co-worker - why? She said that I have waited too long (1 day)

P.S. I was overdressed for that date. 

Date 3

A similar thing except we were in some wine house or whatever that stupid pub was called. I decided that I will call her after 1 week. I'd had enough of women and didn't like her that much if at all and had no urge to call her quickly.

I checked my What'sApp messages (I normally don't use this app.) 2 days later - she had blocked me. Very weird but she had done it. 

P.S. I was somewhere in the middle clothes wise.



There comes a time when you have to admit it - you are not wrong. The game is totally rigged against you. This isn't you giving up responsibility. You are simply admitting the obvious. 

I cant judge you, because i dont personally know you. But i know the struggle you face. I used to face those struggles to. Yes, its not entirely your fault those women acted like this, but your fault is that you let this behavior get into your mind. Eventually you brainwash yourself and become hateful towards women, and this can become a never ending circle.

You need to realize that women act upon emotions and not logic (no matter how much the media tries to project them as being logic) . Then there are the standards. Every human being has a set of "must have " standards when dating.

  I remember you said in the past that you dont have a car but you ride a bike. Well you need to consider the possibility that this alone is a huge turn off . To put that into a mans perspective, imagine dating a woman and realize that she is a divorced mother with 3 kids. Would YOU still date her? Ask yourself seriously. Thats what those women think also. They think you are a wierdo because "no 30something year old drives a bike and has no car or motorcycle" . Google "halo effect", its the impression people get from you from the clothes/haircut you have. This also goes for the things you possess. I am sure they didnt want you to have a ferrari (not that they wouldnt mind) but they would want you to have way of transportation. Again, with the bike thing and the halo effect, their mind goes like "if he drives a bike, imagine how his house is gonna be"

I know this all sounds shallow, and to some degree it may be. But this is the way things work. A womans mind always goes like "what does he have to offer?" much like a man thinks "what does she have to offer" You may say but romance!11!1! is blind and love is not a give-take thing - WRONG. When you are dating someone, and get into a relationship with them you are offering your time, in exchange for something that is pleasing both of you.  You are giving your time and energy into this person (and that person does that too) which is where the phrase " what does he/she have to offer to me" comes into play.

To recap, focus on the things you can change and/or improve, and dont focus on the outcome. Those women could be nuts and behaved like this, it does not mean every woman will act like this - dont let your mind get into that mindset. I have  past experience with such wackos (those that meet you and block you after ending the date) you know what you need to do when you realize that? Laugh at their loss of having a good person in their life - period. (and also thank god for not getting in a relationship with them - bipolar women are the absolute worst when it comes to dating)

[Plato]

I cant judge you, because i dont personally know you. But i know the struggle you face. I used to face those struggles to. Yes, its not entirely your fault those women acted like this, but your fault is that you let this behavior get into your mind. Eventually you brainwash yourself and become hateful towards women, and this can become a never ending circle.

You need to realize that women act upon emotions and not logic (no matter how much the media tries to project them as being logic) . Then there are the standards. Every human being has a set of "must have " standards when dating.

  I remember you said in the past that you dont have a car but you ride a bike. Well you need to consider the possibility that this alone is a huge turn off . To put that into a mans perspective, imagine dating a woman and realize that she is a divorced mother with 3 kids. Would YOU still date her? Ask yourself seriously. Thats what those women think also. They think you are a wierdo because "no 30something year old drives a bike and has no car or motorcycle" . Google "halo effect", its the impression people get from you from the clothes/haircut you have. This also goes for the things you possess. I am sure they didnt want you to have a ferrari (not that they wouldnt mind) but they would want you to have way of transportation. Again, with the bike thing and the halo effect, their mind goes like "if he drives a bike, imagine how his house is gonna be"

I know this all sounds shallow, and to some degree it may be. But this is the way things work. A womans mind always goes like "what does he have to offer?" much like a man thinks "what does she have to offer" You may say but romance!11!1! is blind and love is not a give-take thing - WRONG. When you are dating someone, and get into a relationship with them you are offering your time, in exchange for something that is pleasing both of you.  You are giving your time and energy into this person (and that person does that too) which is where the phrase " what does he/she have to offer to me" comes into play.

To recap, focus on the things you can change and/or improve, and dont focus on the outcome. Those women could be nuts and behaved like this, it does not mean every woman will act like this - dont let your mind get into that mindset. I have  past experience with such wackos (those that meet you and block you after ending the date) you know what you need to do when you realize that? Laugh at their loss of having a good person in their life - period. (and also thank god for not getting in a relationship with them - bipolar women are the absolute worst when it comes to 

Most men can’t even buy car

[simone copetti]

we often talk about violence against women .... but women in their own way are the protagonists to our detriment of a much more subtle form of violence precisely because it is not punishable ... the woman can exploit her greater "sexual power" without take care of the feelings of men and moreover being justified in this by the feminist society ..... but woe to talk about these topics nowadays .... we males must have broad shoulders, we must not have feelings…. Honestly to this i have yet to find a solution

[TruthSeeker]

we often talk about violence against women .... but women in their own way are the protagonists to our detriment of a much more subtle form of violence precisely because it is not punishable ... the woman can exploit her greater "sexual power" without take care of the feelings of men and moreover being justified in this by the feminist society ..... but woe to talk about these topics nowadays .... we males must have broad shoulders, we must not have feelings…. Honestly to this i have yet to find a solution

Here's a story supporting your argument.

1. I went on a date with a woman that is about to turn 33 but looked older than my mother (may have lied about her age or have just aged terribly).
2. She told me that just recently (think last month or something) she was with a guy whom she presented to her parents. He also presented her to his. In other words, things were getting serious.
3. He started showing signs of jealousy. He thought she was cheating on him and wanted to read her phone. Then, he distanced himself from here. Now, he wants her back but she refuses. At least, that's what she says.
4. He told her that women have an easier time recovering after a break-up.

He wasn't lying. After all, that woman was on a date with me already.

Were his fears justified?

Imo, yes.

Here's what happened. When she came to the place where we were supposed to meet, she told me that she was late because a man had approached her on the street. They'd exchanged numbers.

Who the hell tells that to a stranger they are meeting for the first time?

Then, during the date, I went to the bathroom. When I was returning, I saw that she was on a dating app - Badoo or whatever, to be exact. She can't stay away from the app even on a date. You know what I am saying...

Those signs, along with other things she dropped during the conversation, tell me that the guy may have had legit reasons to be suspicious of her.

The ironic part is that she is getting old and looks even older than she is. Yet she is still looking and looking...

She ain't finding anything. I actually told her to get back with that man. I am never calling her.