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Dangerous exercises
(11-29-2018, 10:10 AM)khrazz Wrote: No exercise is dangerous unless performed with very bad form in combination with big weights

With all due respect, I disagree. I believe there are exercises that are dangerous, no matter how correctly they are performed.

Obviously we all have structural differences, so not everyone who performs movements such as curl grip rows or overhead tricep extensions will injure themselves. But I still maintain there are movements that are inherently dangerous and should not be performed by the vast majority of people.
What about upright rows? This exercise has a pretty bad reputation.
^ Yes, I read that narrow grip upright rows place too much stress on the shoulders, and stopped doing them. But I have to admit, they never used to give me any issues.

Funnily, I have a damaged elbow due to the movements I initially mentioned, and there are a whole range of movements I cannot do due to it. One of those is upright rows.
Squats - improper form or bad leverages will mess up knees permanently. 

the orthopedics doctors see people all the time and they all against squats yet the industry has a lot to earn and everything to loose if it was to admit it.

No where in  earlier history we would have something heavy put on our back and had to squat with it. Carrying people or heavy objects in arms are easier than the fireman carry - that argument is out.
Dangerous exercises?

Every exercise done for ego purposes. Smile
^ Yes, any exercise done for ego purposes, i.e. with poor form, can be dangerous.

But that does not therefore mean that no exercise is dangerous unless performed with poor form.
I believe there are movements that are inherently dangerous no matter how well they are performed.
T-bar rows. Dangerous and - as I read in 'Hardgainer' - don't offer any advantages over barbell/dumbell/low-pulley rows.
(12-20-2018, 01:46 PM)wop Wrote: What about upright rows? This exercise has a pretty bad reputation.

Any exercise that puts your upper arms into internal rotation might lead to shoulder impingement eventually.
This is not just a matter of weights (swimmers are prone to it (cf. arm stroke in breast/butterfly technique)).

Besides upright rows the following exercises are also bad in this respect:
  • bench press (and dips) with flared arms (esp. T-Bar bench press); alternative: close-grip bench press with arms tucked to upper body
  • wide grip rows
  • lateral raises; alternative:
As a rule of thumb: Keep your arms close to your body while pressing and pulling.
^ What about the BB classic: Wide-grip pulldowns?
(And done with the most atrocious form imaginable.)
(01-15-2019, 10:54 PM)Simple Simon Wrote: ^ What about the BB classic: Wide-grip pulldowns?
(And done with the most atrocious form imaginable.)

The most atrocious form I've seen so far is when people lean back heavily doing a kind of upside-down wide-grip row. That is bad due to the reasons I mentioned above.

But even when done in upright position, the wide-grip pull-down should be considered poor form. To begin with, it shortens the range of motion compared to a shoulder-wide grip. In addition to that, there is a strain force on your shoulder joint (just look at the force you need to produce in order to move the bar: there is one component parallel to each forearm pointing to you and one perpendicular to it pointing outwards; the latter causes the strain). The shoulder joint is rather weakly stabilized with respect to its function, so it should be treated with care.

To properly conduct a lat pull-down, sit upright, use a shoulder-wide grip, and keep your arms close to your body (your arms will do this quite automatically when you use a shoulder-wide grip). Ideally, your hands and forearms are able to rotate naturally during the movement, i.e., they supinate when the bar moves downwards and pronate when the bar moves upwards. This however requires a bar with some kind of free-moving handles or rings. Your second best option in this regard would be a bar with a (shoulder-wide) neutral grip.

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