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The Genes of Hatred
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Anyone think that it's possible to hate women due to genetics? I ask because my earliest memory of hating women started when I was about 7. I got in trouble for stabbing another girl in the abdomen with a pencil in 2nd grade. Felt no remorse after I did it. In fact, at the time I wasn't aware I had done anything wrong.
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(02-08-2019, 06:01 AM)locutus24 Wrote: Anyone think that it's possible to hate women due to genetics? I ask because my earliest memory of hating women started when I was about 7. I got in trouble for stabbing another girl in the abdomen with a pencil in 2nd grade. Felt no remorse after I did it. In fact, at the time I wasn't aware I had done anything wrong.

I use to be scared of women. I was really shy when I was young especially around women or girls I should say.

I think I can recall telling a girl that I can kill her if I wanted to with the little pocket knife I had, she then went and told the teacher who convescated my cute little knife. I'm sure i was only about 9 or 10 at the time, and i'm sure I was saying it in a way as if just stating a fact, no trying to threaten a girl or anything.

I rememeber doing something else that was perhaps cruel, we had this sports day non official race and I intentionally tripped this one boy, just for the sake of it. Not sure exactly why I would have done that, also about 7 - 8 I think.
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(02-08-2019, 06:01 AM)locutus24 Wrote: Anyone think that it's possible to hate women due to genetics? I ask because my earliest memory of hating women started when I was about 7. I got in trouble for stabbing another girl in the abdomen with a pencil in 2nd grade. Felt no remorse after I did it. In fact, at the time I wasn't aware I had done anything wrong.

 There might be a genetic predisposition for certain traits to come to rise, but those traits come from your environment. You seem to hate women for some odd reason (i have seen all the other threads you created regarding women btw) and thats something you need to work with a specialist and not on an internet forum. Dont you find it strange  you hate women? Its not normal, even if you had an ex that was a total bitch, you dont just suddenly wake up hating women. This comes from years of resentment, and here is where is specialist will help you overcome your trouble. Hate is a powerful word, and hating something is often accompanied by hidden lust/desire e.x I hate how he/she treats me but i still love him/her or fear e.x i hate (fear) boarding on airplanes - but i still have to do it nevertheless.

Trust me, you dont really "hate" women. You just "hate" the way some of them - probably the ones you fancied - treated you. If thats the case then you need to get over it , dust yourself off, and move on . Work on yourself, improve yourself, and women will come. Dont let other people guide your emotions.
If however, you cant remove this hatred, you need to work with a specialist and find whats causing this. How old are you btw?
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The stories above show my observation - kids can be very vicious to each other and in general.

But in regards to the topic in hand - I have a different proposition - don't do anything.

I am not joking. Don't go to therapists, don't read books on the topic, don't even post about it. Why? Because the more you think about something, the more market share you are giving it. You are probably expecting some rational explanation as to why you "hate women", but what if I tell you that you don't need it? You hate them? Fine. Let it be. Let it flow like a river and observe your emotions.

I am not saying that you should hurt women, but you don't have to force yourself to like them.

You seem to have a tendency to dwell and to dig too much. You don't have to be perfect and you don't have to in a permanent "how do I fix myself" mode.

And I doubt it's genetic. By you logic, if you'd stabbed a man, you would be a man hater.

Also, remember, that women are the way they are because they have been conditioned. They are not AUTHENTIC women. They are altered by the societal conditioning. So, in reality, we are all just hating this condition rather than women at their fundamental.
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(02-08-2019, 10:33 AM)Brett Wrote: I use to be scared of women. I was really shy when I was young especially around women or girls I should say.

I think I can recall telling a girl that I can kill her if I wanted to with the little pocket knife I had, she then went and told the teacher who convescated my cute little knife. I'm sure i was only about 9 or 10 at the time, and i'm sure I was saying it in a way as if just stating a fact, no trying to threaten a girl or anything.

I rememeber doing something else that was perhaps cruel, we had this sports day non official race and I intentionally tripped this one boy, just for the sake of it. Not sure exactly why I would have done that, also about 7 - 8 I think.

I see. Similar to my behavior, although it sounded more like intimidation than actual physical harm towards women. The boy you obviously physically hurt though, which I think is more normal for young boys. I got into many physical fights with other boys, but we usually still remained friends after cooling off. 

I will have more to say Brett, but will reflect on this. Thanks.

(02-08-2019, 10:33 AM)khrazz Wrote:  There might be a genetic predisposition for certain traits to come to rise, but those traits come from your environment. You seem to hate women for some odd reason (i have seen all the other threads you created regarding women btw) and thats something you need to work with a specialist and not on an internet forum. Dont you find it strange  you hate women? Its not normal, even if you had an ex that was a total bitch, you dont just suddenly wake up hating women. This comes from years of resentment, and here is where is specialist will help you overcome your trouble. Hate is a powerful word, and hating something is often accompanied by hidden lust/desire e.x I hate how he/she treats me but i still love him/her or fear e.x i hate (fear) boarding on airplanes - but i still have to do it nevertheless.

Trust me, you dont really "hate" women. You just "hate" the way some of them - probably the ones you fancied - treated you. If thats the case then you need to get over it , dust yourself off, and move on . Work on yourself, improve yourself, and women will come. Dont let other people guide your emotions.
If however, you cant remove this hatred, you need to work with a specialist and find whats causing this. How old are you btw?
I heard many problems of the mind are due to a combo of genetics and environment. So short story on my biological mom, which I mentioned in my post on therapy. She had a gun pointed at her head and the police came to arrest the man with gun (her boyfriend and not my dad, daddy left me), and I was placed temporarily in child-protection custody until my grandmother adopted me. My mom wasn't allowed for me to be returned as they determined she was unfit due to alcoholism and her relationships with violent men. Grandmother in turn got a stroke so then my aunt, who I consider my mom and is by law my mom took me in until I was 18. I suppose that may somehow cause female issues, though not certain. 

I had a step cousin who had this crush on me throughout childhood. She was 3 years younger than me, but as she got older I became more allured by her. When we first met over a summer visit after our moms introduced us we were supposed to say goodbye, but she kissed me on the face and smirked which put me into anger mode. I taunted her when she waited for her mom in the car. Her mom was married to my aunt's son so I often had to spend weekend there when my mom was away for whatever reason. From that point on, whenever I stayed at the girl's place the girl's mom strangely and perhaps inappropriately made us sleep in the same bed. 

Tension always was there and we got into physical fights a lot over simple things like who gets the toy or what Disney movie is chosen while we eat dinner. However, I also seemed to have some attraction to her as we sometimes did cuddling sessions in bed. Idk man. Doesn't sound like a normal boy/girl thing since by law she was my cousin. 

You're right. My hatred tends to be directed towards women I knew well, exes, and ones who rejected me more than once, but who I often had to be around (e.g. University classes). Rarely are they towards random women. For instance, I don't normally obsess over women from the internet who I don't know, such as Instagram chicks.

I have mixed opinions on therapy. Normally most of the ones I had sessions with have a new-age mentality where they want to almost completely eliminate any form of negative feeling or thought. They call them "cognitive distortions." I tried something called dialectical behavioral therapy which involved one skill called chain-analysis. It could be used when determining why I hated a woman. I look at the sequence of events and observe my behavior and thoughts. There is usually a critical stage in the chain that led to a thought like "I hate this bitch" or "women are evil cause this woman was mean or stuck-up." It didn't work so well. It did allow me to control my emotions when I engaged with more women, but my internal thoughts/opinions on them never changed. I still hated these women, while my behaviors around them appeared friendly because I pretended to appear friendly even as they rejected or annoyed me. Not a way to live life on pretend mode. 

One man who has helped is a psychiatrist who also combines psychoanalysis. He investigates childhood traumas that may have caused my modern hatred of women. He is extremely logical, a realist and is the only psychologist who helped me, because he gave me some helpful medications to control anger and irritability around women or angry thoughts of women who weren't around. The other therapists generally exaggerate their ways of helping saying that they would get me to a point where I would find fulfilling relationships with women after using these skills, but that didn't happen because my internal core beliefs on women were never changed. Maybe psychoanalysis might help though. Psychiatrist charges cheap and is in private practice. I can afford him easily for one week sessions. When dating topics come up he doesn't make any promises of any sort. He actually admits that the dating game is very rough for men and it's only harder for men who already have some hatred for women. I.e. he basically said I may or may not find the woman I desire and have a long-lasting relationship. I respect his realism. He doesn't succumb to new-age positive/fake thinking. 

He is my current specialist. We have ways to go on these issues. Interestingly our next session is on Feb. 14th, Valentine's day, and its the perfect day to discuss my despair over not having a woman.

(02-08-2019, 01:26 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote: The stories above show my observation - kids can be very vicious to each other and in general.

But in regards to the topic in hand - I have a different proposition - don't do anything.

I am not joking. Don't go to therapists, don't read books on the topic, don't even post about it. Why? Because the more you think about something, the more market share you are giving it. You are probably expecting some rational explanation as to why you "hate women", but what if I tell you that you don't need it? You hate them? Fine. Let it be. Let it flow like a river and observe your emotions.

I am not saying that you should hurt women, but you don't have to force yourself to like them.

You seem to have a tendency to dwell and to dig too much. You don't have to be perfect and you don't have to in a permanent "how do I fix myself" mode.

And I doubt it's genetic. By you logic, if you'd stabbed a man, you would be a man hater.

Also, remember, that women are the way they are because they have been conditioned. They are not AUTHENTIC women. They are altered by the societal conditioning. So, in reality, we are all just hating this condition rather than women at their fundamental.
Yeah, you have an opposite opinion of Khrazz. Honestly, you also make a really good point so now I have even more mixed opinions on therapy. As I explained to Khrazz, most therapies (new age variants) were unhelpful and felt I got conned by these types of therapists. One guy was snarky and belittled me in some ways when it came to my hateful thoughts/feelings on women. I despised the guy. He kept milking me while promising to offer solutions through his skills-based therapy, but it didn't change my internal thoughts and feelings on women. I suspected him as being almost a complete fraud. The psychiatrist I mentioned however has been helpful since he prescribed meds that have eased anger and irritability around women. He also is a realist and doesn't sugar-coat life. He admits that life is a rough place for men like me and that there are absolutely no guarantees I would succeed with women. I respect him and still see him since he charges cheap and doesn't appear to be a fraud.

Doing nothing has sometimes helped. For instance I just go about my daily routine such as practicing piano, cooking meals, working out, school work and while the hateful thoughts enter my head they also eventually pass. So that way makes sense to me too. 

Yeah, I have that tendency. Analysis by paralysis sometimes. 

I agree that many seem conditioned in a way that doesn't match previous generations. When I talk to men over age 70 on female topics, they sometimes offer advice. I mentioned the so called text-zoned phenomena where women will only text a man and not allow phone calls. This surprised the old man cause in his time phone calls were the playing card that allowed the man to assertively develop a relationship and schedule dates. As you said in A Hater's Synthesis, phone calls are more powerful, but men normally can't do that anymore thanks to the smart phone revolution.
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(02-08-2019, 06:01 AM)locutus24 Wrote: Anyone think that it's possible to hate women due to genetics? 

That seems unlikely to me. If hating women was a genetically manifested trait, then how would one pass that trait to one's offspring? I mean, how do you procreate if you despise the very thing you need to procreate?
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(02-08-2019, 10:59 PM)Hans Wrote: That seems unlikely to me. If hating women was a genetically manifested trait, then how would one pass that trait to one's offspring? I mean, how do you procreate if you despise the very thing you need to procreate?

Good point.

Maybe sociopathic traits? I was suspecting that. I looked up the DSM V and I satisfy most of the criteria. I've been in trouble with the law in high school and as an adult. The records are cleared now since I only got probation and completed the probation period, but I have crossed the line when it comes to society's norms. 

Truthseeker: I asked you about that by email and you even said I seemed pretty anti-social.
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(02-09-2019, 01:47 AM)locutus24 Wrote: Maybe sociopathic traits? I was suspecting that. I looked up the DSM V and I satisfy most of the criteria. I've been in trouble with the law in high school and as an adult. The records are cleared now since I only got probation and completed the probation period, but I have crossed the line when it comes to society's norms. 

Truthseeker: I asked you about that by email and you even said I seemed pretty anti-social.

Maybe. I imagine some kind of Hannibal Lector here ... (no pun intended) Wink

Never heard of such a fucked up past. That might look for trouble.

I hope you're just trolling.
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(02-08-2019, 04:24 PM)locutus24 Wrote: I see. Similar to my behavior, although it sounded more like intimidation than actual physical harm towards women. The boy you obviously physically hurt though, which I think is more normal for young boys. I got into many physical fights with other boys, but we usually still remained friends after cooling off. 

I will have more to say Brett, but will reflect on this. Thanks.

I heard many problems of the mind are due to a combo of genetics and environment. So short story on my biological mom, which I mentioned in my post on therapy. She had a gun pointed at her head and the police came to arrest the man with gun (her boyfriend and not my dad, daddy left me), and I was placed temporarily in child-protection custody until my grandmother adopted me. My mom wasn't allowed for me to be returned as they determined she was unfit due to alcoholism and her relationships with violent men. Grandmother in turn got a stroke so then my aunt, who I consider my mom and is by law my mom took me in until I was 18. I suppose that may somehow cause female issues, though not certain. 

I had a step cousin who had this crush on me throughout childhood. She was 3 years younger than me, but as she got older I became more allured by her. When we first met over a summer visit after our moms introduced us we were supposed to say goodbye, but she kissed me on the face and smirked which put me into anger mode. I taunted her when she waited for her mom in the car. Her mom was married to my aunt's son so I often had to spend weekend there when my mom was away for whatever reason. From that point on, whenever I stayed at the girl's place the girl's mom strangely and perhaps inappropriately made us sleep in the same bed. 

Tension always was there and we got into physical fights a lot over simple things like who gets the toy or what Disney movie is chosen while we eat dinner. However, I also seemed to have some attraction to her as we sometimes did cuddling sessions in bed. Idk man. Doesn't sound like a normal boy/girl thing since by law she was my cousin. 

You're right. My hatred tends to be directed towards women I knew well, exes, and ones who rejected me more than once, but who I often had to be around (e.g. University classes). Rarely are they towards random women. For instance, I don't normally obsess over women from the internet who I don't know, such as Instagram chicks.



He is my current specialist. We have ways to go on these issues. Interestingly our next session is on Feb. 14th, Valentine's day, and its the perfect day to discuss my despair over not having a woman.


ok i see. You need to understand that your parents, unfortunately, ruined your starting life with their behavior. I get it, you never actually found love (that is mother love) and since you never had this kind of emotion, you now cant express it . However, dont let your parents foolish behavior guide the rest of your life. By being like this, you are actually reinforcing their past behavior. Just say a big FUCK YOU, maybe multiple times a day, and move on with your life (i know its easier said than done )

Out of curiosity, does your cousin have any similarity with your mom? I mean, hair,eyes, posture or the way she talks?


Tbh, you may not be "ready" to have a woman in your life yet. You need to solve all these issues first, if you wanna have a healthy relationship with another person. Keep in mind that this anger you feel, can easily become violence. Most of violent sex offenders in history (i am not saying you are one, or that you will become one) had an unhealthy relationship with their mom and most of them had no father figure around. Them becoming violent was a way of survival. Obviously, sex offence was also caused by their desire to "have" a woman with them which  would not abandon them. Thats why some of them killed women they raped and then preserved their bodies (i aint going to go into detail here, search on the internet and their names will show up)
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(02-09-2019, 11:12 AM)Hans Wrote: Maybe. I imagine some kind of Hannibal Lector here ... (no pun intended) Wink

Never heard of such a fucked up past. That might look for trouble.

I hope you're just trolling.

A little trolling to be honest. But at the same time a little curious and maybe concerned cause even if I'm not totally sociopathic, I at least have some of the traits of them.

(02-09-2019, 12:22 PM)khrazz Wrote: ok i see. You need to understand that your parents, unfortunately, ruined your starting life with their behavior. I get it, you never actually found love (that is mother love) and since you never had this kind of emotion, you now cant express it . However, dont let your parents foolish behavior guide the rest of your life. By being like this, you are actually reinforcing their past behavior. Just say a big FUCK YOU, maybe multiple times a day, and move on with your life (i know its easier said than done )

Out of curiosity, does your cousin have any similarity with your mom? I mean, hair,eyes, posture or the way she talks?


Tbh, you may not be "ready" to have a woman in your life yet. You need to solve all these issues first, if you wanna have a healthy relationship with another person. Keep in mind that this anger you feel, can easily become violence. Most of violent sex offenders in history (i am not saying you are one, or that you will become one) had an unhealthy relationship with their mom and most of them had no father figure around. Them becoming violent was a way of survival. Obviously, sex offence was also caused by their desire to "have" a woman with them which  would not abandon them. Thats why some of them killed women they raped and then preserved their bodies (i aint going to go into detail here, search on the internet and their names will show up)
You're spot on about the parents being fucked up. I know it sounds like the cliche thing you would hear from a subreddit on red pilled male youth who had no permanent father figure and a neglectful or overly feminine mother. Or better yet something from a criminal investigation show like L&O where they determine why man who was abused is killing/raping certain people. 

I had 3 stepfathers and the last one was an abusive alcoholic. First two weren't as bad. Last guy was around from 13-18 of my life. I at least had the presence of father-like figures some of the time. The last one was normally away from Mon-Fri cause he was a long haul trucker from Washington to S. California. But once he got home on weekends he was angry, drunk, a combo of the two, or just an ego maniac who liked bossing us around. He loved his dog Sammy more than my mom. I know cause when he walked into the living room after returning the first one he rushed to was his dog without saying anything to my mom until later in the evening.

My step mom (aunt who I consider my actual mom) I've forgiven or rather I don't blame her that much for it. We talk each week and don't have any anger problems with one another. In the past I avoided talking to her, but now we stay in contact and she lends me money once in a while to help with expenses for school or Christmas gift money. The abusive guy had a restraining order and left for some other state when I turned 18. He has been gone since then, which is several years. I honestly don't think about him that much. 

My mom's hair is dirty blonde, blue eyes, pale skin and same for me. The cousin is/was brunette, hazel eyes, olive/white skin (hard to describe) and pretty looking as a kid and as an adult now (from her FB page). My mom has a very nurturing-like voice and the cousin did to when we were growing up. What is interesting though is a lot of the women I lust after have similarities with how the cousin looked when she was younger. She had a bangs hair cut most of the time, so when I see women with brunette bangs haircut I get lustful and angry at the same time. It's like some automatic reaction. I can't explain why it happens. Heart rate goes up quickly, body tenses, and my mind feels like there is a clenching fist inside it.

My two crimes were assault IV, but not sexual assault. One was a fight with my step brother that got out of hand and I broke his nose and I was not injured and police came after his GF called them. So I went to jail for 18 hours, but was immediately released in less than day and put on bench probation because I was a fresh college student, so I got to use that as my "get out of jail free" card. 

My last ex I liked to control, but it was psychological control. I made her dependent on me because she was by nature a lonely person and didn't want to be left alone. I'm sort of similar in regards to that, but being the male and more assertive I was able to take advantage of her loneliness rather than the other way around. I've never committed any sexual assault or rape and don't plan to. Sexual frustration is common for me, but I've learned to live with it. 

As far as I'm concerned the probability of finding a woman who I'm attracted to and will love is low. My best guess is 5% probability, very low. I'm not saying it will not happen, but most likely not happen ever. I've been single for 6 years and only had one date in the last year. 

So 3 things: 

1. Dating game is harsh for men already which includes me. 

2. Being single for 6 years and dating very infrequently has lessened my ability to be intimate and communicate with women. It's like social isolation; longer you are away from people the less you have an ability to be attuned with them.

3. I hate a lot of women and mostly just want to have sex with them so I can add them to my trophy list of "women I fucked in my lifetime." Not rape, but just get sex from them. I guess a form of projecting some kind of male alpha status to make up for other holes in my life. 

Another dumb male cliche desire that you see everywhere in the manosphere. I'm nothing unique and just another one of those dudes. Perhaps a little more low key since I prefer focusing on personal hobbies like piano and don't believe in any of their theories of game, other than basics like confidence, friendliness, and not being overly nice or overly mean.

(02-09-2019, 04:28 PM)locutus24 Wrote: A little trolling to be honest. But at the same time a little curious and maybe concerned cause even if I'm not totally sociopathic, I at least have some of the traits of them.

You're spot on about the parents being fucked up. I know it sounds like the cliche thing you would hear from a subreddit on red pilled male youth who had no permanent father figure and a neglectful or overly feminine mother. Or better yet something from a criminal investigation show like L&O where they determine why man who was abused is killing/raping certain people. 

I had 3 stepfathers and the last one was an abusive alcoholic. First two weren't as bad. Last guy was around from 13-18 of my life. I at least had the presence of father-like figures some of the time. The last one was normally away from Mon-Fri cause he was a long haul trucker from Washington to S. California. But once he got home on weekends he was angry, drunk, a combo of the two, or just an ego maniac who liked bossing us around. He loved his dog Sammy more than my mom. I know cause when he walked into the living room after returning the first one he rushed to was his dog without saying anything to my mom until later in the evening.

My step mom (aunt who I consider my actual mom) I've forgiven or rather I don't blame her that much for it. We talk each week and don't have any anger problems with one another. In the past I avoided talking to her, but now we stay in contact and she lends me money once in a while to help with expenses for school or Christmas gift money. The abusive guy had a restraining order and left for some other state when I turned 18. He has been gone since then, which is several years. I honestly don't think about him that much. 

My mom's hair is dirty blonde, blue eyes, pale skin and same for me. The cousin is/was brunette, hazel eyes, olive/white skin (hard to describe) and pretty looking as a kid and as an adult now (from her FB page). My mom has a very nurturing-like voice and the cousin did to when we were growing up. What is interesting though is a lot of the women I lust after have similarities with how the cousin looked when she was younger. She had a bangs hair cut most of the time, so when I see women with brunette bangs haircut I get lustful and angry at the same time. It's like some automatic reaction. I can't explain why it happens. Heart rate goes up quickly, body tenses, and my mind feels like there is a clenching fist inside it.

My two crimes were assault IV, but not sexual assault. One was a fight with my step brother that got out of hand and I broke his nose and I was not injured and police came after his GF called them. So I went to jail for 18 hours, but was immediately released in less than day and put on bench probation because I was a fresh college student, so I got to use that as my "get out of jail free" card. 

My last ex I liked to control, but it was psychological control. I made her dependent on me because she was by nature a lonely person and didn't want to be left alone. I'm sort of similar in regards to that, but being the male and more assertive I was able to take advantage of her loneliness rather than the other way around. I've never committed any sexual assault or rape and don't plan to. Sexual frustration is common for me, but I've learned to live with it. 

As far as I'm concerned the probability of finding a woman who I'm attracted to and will love is low. My best guess is 5% probability, very low. I'm not saying it will not happen, but most likely not happen ever. I've been single for 6 years and only had one date in the last year. 

So 3 things: 

1. Dating game is harsh for men already which includes me. 

2. Being single for 6 years and dating very infrequently has lessened my ability to be intimate and communicate with women. It's like social isolation; longer you are away from people the less you have an ability to be attuned with them.

3. I hate a lot of women and mostly just want to have sex with them so I can add them to my trophy list of "women I fucked in my lifetime." Not rape, but just get sex from them. I guess a form of projecting some kind of male alpha status to make up for other holes in my life. 

Another dumb male cliche desire that you see everywhere in the manosphere. I'm nothing unique and just another one of those dudes. Perhaps a little more low key since I prefer focusing on personal hobbies like piano and don't believe in any of their theories of game, other than basics like confidence, friendliness, and not being overly nice or overly mean.
My biological mom had red hair and hazel eyes and was pale. Hazel eyes is one similarity.
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