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Therapy: Good, Bad, The Ugly
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In this post, my logic will be quite weak so please forgive me fellows. I will try my best, but you will see my biases in full fleshy form.

I've done therapy in the past. A few kinds I tried and my opinions on them are mixed. The only person who has helped me is a psychiatrist and he is of course a male. He has given me medications that have helped with anxiety, focusing on tasks, and other areas. He is a doctor who understand medicine and basic neurology. He also offered old-school psychoanalysis therapies. We dug into my past. Told him about how my biological mother had a man pointing a firearm at her while I was one years old. It probably has led to other issues with trust these days, especially with women. It actually felt kind of relieving to express that experience to him. However, every other therapist before and after him and their new age therapies (e.g. dialectical or mentalization based therapy) and who wasn't a psychiatrist I felt had conned me. Or rather I conned myself for buying into it for a few years during early adulthood. I guess I was the fool. Don't get me wrong. The psychiatrist was helpful and still is so I did get a little of the so called pie. 

Therapists are not anything comparable to psychiatrists. They are people with a degree that has trained them to be a a pretending friend for someone who pays. Of course they had to learn basic things from statistics, but it rarely is used in their field. All they seem to know how to do is talk in a way that makes you feel hopeful. They generally aren't on the bright side. They say obvious things and tend to repeat everything you say except they replace any negative adjective, noun, or comment with a positive one. The mentality is to replace negativity and become positive. Go from Angry to  Big Grin Heart . In their facade the world is made of butterflies and singing birds in the trees with a smiling sun that makes raisins and sometimes goddesses fall into your lap.

Sometimes you feel as though they belong in therapy. I had one male therapist a while back. He offered to give me "useless" dating advice such as helping me fine-tune my dating profile. He claimed that fine tuning it would potentially increase my value online. I argued that in past experiences the online dating game was a lost cause unless you were a hot shot dude. Best scenario is you settle for a whale or an ugly-chick nerd that belongs in a horror film. He of course said that I was having a "cognitive distortion" a fancy term that basically means delusion. I don't think I was delusional though. I messaged a ton of volume to women from average to attractive with low success rate. Had pics of me outside doing activities and with other people. I tried my best. 

He seemed so eager though to improve my digital self. I showed him my dating profile for Match. It said 6'1 (which is true) and then he gasped "You're 6'1?" He looked surprised and insecure his eyes twinkling. He is about 5'10. Whenever I met him in the therapy room my eyes were staring at his forehead. Not sure how he could think we were of equal height when we weren't. Maybe he feels like a small man cause he is only 5'10? I don't know, but that was his reaction. 

I also had the unfortunate fate of being allured into a place called Brooklyn Minds. A new age therapy center that offers a mind-altering therapy that has a fancy title: Mentalization-Based Therapy. You learn to mentalize with other people. It's very complex and takes a lot of practice, and the therapist claimed it would help with my issues with women and relating to people so I can have a fulfilling life. What is this technique I ask? Basically it just means you put yourself into the shoes of the person (women) and imagine being her, so that you can figure out why she rejected you. You realize she wasn't a selfish broad, but just an innocent human. I don't deny that there are friendly women, but his claim was that every women I imagined as being selfish was a distortion so I needed to mentalize to untrain these negative thoughts. 

And then I'm like... "wait, I already know how to do this." Why is this called MBT, when it's basically a skill that every person has an ability to do meaning to understand and communicate with other people? But they claimed that it's a psychology science in the making and that it has changed lives. Didn't see any peer-reviewed studies to claim this. They also have a brilliant machine. The dTMS machine to cure so-called depressed/suicidal teenagers. It takes a little insurance and costs $440/hour. Insurance can cover some of it though, but the catch is that you pay and it's reimbursed far later in the future. They recommend you use it for at least 6 weeks and 5 times a week. I'm a mathematician but I am not calculating the costs as it is depressing. They almost got me into doing it cause I scored high on their so called "clinical depression" chart. Depression? No, more like normal despair just like every other person experiences. 

I was interviewed. The guy named Owen said that if insurance were to pay for "some" of it then I needed to have taken certain medications to be qualified. I didn't qualify legally as I didn't take any of the right meds. So he said "well, just make up one" so we can get you on board. I left the place after that. What a fool I was. 

They also had a group therapy that they recommended to supplement the individual therapy which I participated in for a month. In group I got to meet a mix of men and women with their own issues. Two caught my eye. One was an ex cop from Brooklyn who had anger issues. He explained some past stories. One time a couple men in a car behind him beeped the horn and yelled out and told him "move asshole." He had his firearm with him while off duty. He stopped the car in the middle of the street and pointed it at them yelling "motherfuckers you think you can tell me what to do." He definitely needed some help. I empathized with him.

The other person was a fellow female student at my school who was doing a post baccalaureate in psychology. I got to hear about her issues too. Here they are: She was the club leader of a liberal-based student political group who threw parties that were designed to be inclusive for people in the LGBT, unicorn, and other new specimens of humans that have evolved from men and women. Word has it that her female friends were talking bad about her because her liberal views didn't align with theirs. She felt "out of control" and "needed control again." She was at Brooklyn Minds doing this group therapy for over 6 months to gain that control back. Apparently they still hadn't helped her with the gossip issue. She failed to "mentalize" with the gossipers or in other words figure out why they were pissed at her, but she actually did know so my only guess of why she remained in therapy was to stew in her own self-loathing shit because it made her feel better to repeatedly talk about it. And then she enjoyed lecturing other men in the group who had insecurity issues over marriage and other stuff. She always recommended they follow Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for Life as it would be the "key" to solving their inner turmoil. I guess she is a promoter of self-help books. 

Also for group therapy it was run by a couple. The woman was the one that made my nerves jump out of my skin. I gave a short answer to a question regarding some psychology topic. It wasn't meant to be offensive, but I recall her reaction being "do you even care?" I guess I don't care. 

Here is the link with the faces of the so called "team" that helps confused youth figure out how to mentalize and become well again. Probably best if you ignore the fees section. 

https://www.brooklynminds.com/our-team.html

The guy Kyle is the "head marketer" and a mental health specialist. Which one is his top priority I wonder? Mental health or money? His smirk should give you a clue. 


I was a fool for approaching many of them to get some kind of false hope. In the moment (in the therapy room) you feel elated as though the things you desire (sex) are now within your grasp because the therapist inspires your heart. I remember one time I was sitting in the lobby for a therapist. Next to me was an obese man panting. When the therapist talked with me he was so good at making me feel hopeful for things like love and feeling belonged in society and in the hearts of women. They must have told this same story to the obese guy who sat next to me. Poor guy. 

In NY the therapist centers are alluring. You walk in and there is usually a very friendly receptionist lady who looks as though she is stoned or something. You see magazines from Psychology Today and other "overly-sentimental" magazines with pictures of happy attractive women (sometimes men) with their arms spread out like a butterflies wings with an ocean background on a sunny day. 

The old cliche that they overcame their despair. They as in mostly women. Just their smiles make me cringe. My conclusion is that new age therapies are mostly profit based and have a strong feminine quality to them.

Therapy was once something male-dominated. Freud is the father of it. In the beginning it was quite rigorous. The reason I know this is because my psychiatrist followed the old-school ways. He took notes on a note pad, didn't show any of his own emotions, was monotone in voice, calculated the correct medication dosages and made sure none were hazardous when taken together. Oh and he was a realist. He was straight with me. For instance, when we discussed dating he didn't lie to me. He told me how it was. E.g. he said that I could try some new methods to get dates, but he said there were "absolutely  no guarantees" and that if they failed I'd need to learn to deal with them. I respected him. All the other new age therapists did the opposite. 

Conclusion: therapy was a waste for the most part. Sometimes there are good psychiatrists though who can give a small helping hand.
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(02-07-2019, 05:21 AM)locutus24 Wrote: In this post, my logic will be quite weak so please forgive me fellows. I will try my best, but you will see my biases in full fleshy form.

I've done therapy in the past. A few kinds I tried and my opinions on them are mixed. The only person who has helped me is a psychiatrist and he is of course a male. He has given me medications that have helped with anxiety, focusing on tasks, and other areas. He is a doctor who understand medicine and basic neurology. He also offered old-school psychoanalysis therapies. We dug into my past. Told him about how my biological mother had a man pointing a firearm at her while I was one years old. It probably has led to other issues with trust these days, especially with women. It actually felt kind of relieving to express that experience to him. However, every other therapist before and after him and their new age therapies (e.g. dialectical or mentalization based therapy) and who wasn't a psychiatrist I felt had conned me. Or rather I conned myself for buying into it for a few years during early adulthood. I guess I was the fool. Don't get me wrong. The psychiatrist was helpful and still is so I did get a little of the so called pie. 

Therapists are not anything comparable to psychiatrists. They are people with a degree that has trained them to be a a pretending friend for someone who pays. Of course they had to learn basic things from statistics, but it rarely is used in their field. All they seem to know how to do is talk in a way that makes you feel hopeful. They generally aren't on the bright side. They say obvious things and tend to repeat everything you say except they replace any negative adjective, noun, or comment with a positive one. The mentality is to replace negativity and become positive. Go from Angry to  Big Grin Heart . In their facade the world is made of butterflies and singing birds in the trees with a smiling sun that makes raisins and sometimes goddesses fall into your lap.

Sometimes you feel as though they belong in therapy. I had one male therapist a while back. He offered to give me "useless" dating advice such as helping me fine-tune my dating profile. He claimed that fine tuning it would potentially increase my value online. I argued that in past experiences the online dating game was a lost cause unless you were a hot shot dude. Best scenario is you settle for a whale or an ugly-chick nerd that belongs in a horror film. He of course said that I was having a "cognitive distortion" a fancy term that basically means delusion. I don't think I was delusional though. I messaged a ton of volume to women from average to attractive with low success rate. Had pics of me outside doing activities and with other people. I tried my best. 

He seemed so eager though to improve my digital self. I showed him my dating profile for Match. It said 6'1 (which is true) and then he gasped "You're 6'1?" He looked surprised and insecure his eyes twinkling. He is about 5'10. Whenever I met him in the therapy room my eyes were staring at his forehead. Not sure how he could think we were of equal height when we weren't. Maybe he feels like a small man cause he is only 5'10? I don't know, but that was his reaction. 

I also had the unfortunate fate of being allured into a place called Brooklyn Minds. A new age therapy center that offers a mind-altering therapy that has a fancy title: Mentalization-Based Therapy. You learn to mentalize with other people. It's very complex and takes a lot of practice, and the therapist claimed it would help with my issues with women and relating to people so I can have a fulfilling life. What is this technique I ask? Basically it just means you put yourself into the shoes of the person (women) and imagine being her, so that you can figure out why she rejected you. You realize she wasn't a selfish broad, but just an innocent human. I don't deny that there are friendly women, but his claim was that every women I imagined as being selfish was a distortion so I needed to mentalize to untrain these negative thoughts. 

And then I'm like... "wait, I already know how to do this." Why is this called MBT, when it's basically a skill that every person has an ability to do meaning to understand and communicate with other people? But they claimed that it's a psychology science in the making and that it has changed lives. Didn't see any peer-reviewed studies to claim this. They also have a brilliant machine. The dTMS machine to cure so-called depressed/suicidal teenagers. It takes a little insurance and costs $440/hour. Insurance can cover some of it though, but the catch is that you pay and it's reimbursed far later in the future. They recommend you use it for at least 6 weeks and 5 times a week. I'm a mathematician but I am not calculating the costs as it is depressing. They almost got me into doing it cause I scored high on their so called "clinical depression" chart. Depression? No, more like normal despair just like every other person experiences. 

I was interviewed. The guy named Owen said that if insurance were to pay for "some" of it then I needed to have taken certain medications to be qualified. I didn't qualify legally as I didn't take any of the right meds. So he said "well, just make up one" so we can get you on board. I left the place after that. What a fool I was. 

They also had a group therapy that they recommended to supplement the individual therapy which I participated in for a month. In group I got to meet a mix of men and women with their own issues. Two caught my eye. One was an ex cop from Brooklyn who had anger issues. He explained some past stories. One time a couple men in a car behind him beeped the horn and yelled out and told him "move asshole." He had his firearm with him while off duty. He stopped the car in the middle of the street and pointed it at them yelling "motherfuckers you think you can tell me what to do." He definitely needed some help. I empathized with him.

The other person was a fellow female student at my school who was doing a post baccalaureate in psychology. I got to hear about her issues too. Here they are: She was the club leader of a liberal-based student political group who threw parties that were designed to be inclusive for people in the LGBT, unicorn, and other new specimens of humans that have evolved from men and women. Word has it that her female friends were talking bad about her because her liberal views didn't align with theirs. She felt "out of control" and "needed control again." She was at Brooklyn Minds doing this group therapy for over 6 months to gain that control back. Apparently they still hadn't helped her with the gossip issue. She failed to "mentalize" with the gossipers or in other words figure out why they were pissed at her, but she actually did know so my only guess of why she remained in therapy was to stew in her own self-loathing shit because it made her feel better to repeatedly talk about it. And then she enjoyed lecturing other men in the group who had insecurity issues over marriage and other stuff. She always recommended they follow Jordan Peterson's 12 rules for Life as it would be the "key" to solving their inner turmoil. I guess she is a promoter of self-help books. 

Also for group therapy it was run by a couple. The woman was the one that made my nerves jump out of my skin. I gave a short answer to a question regarding some psychology topic. It wasn't meant to be offensive, but I recall her reaction being "do you even care?" I guess I don't care. 

Here is the link with the faces of the so called "team" that helps confused youth figure out how to mentalize and become well again. Probably best if you ignore the fees section. 

https://www.brooklynminds.com/our-team.html

The guy Kyle is the "head marketer" and a mental health specialist. Which one is his top priority I wonder? Mental health or money? His smirk should give you a clue. 


I was a fool for approaching many of them to get some kind of false hope. In the moment (in the therapy room) you feel elated as though the things you desire (sex) are now within your grasp because the therapist inspires your heart. I remember one time I was sitting in the lobby for a therapist. Next to me was an obese man panting. When the therapist talked with me he was so good at making me feel hopeful for things like love and feeling belonged in society and in the hearts of women. They must have told this same story to the obese guy who sat next to me. Poor guy. 

In NY the therapist centers are alluring. You walk in and there is usually a very friendly receptionist lady who looks as though she is stoned or something. You see magazines from Psychology Today and other "overly-sentimental" magazines with pictures of happy attractive women (sometimes men) with their arms spread out like a butterflies wings with an ocean background on a sunny day. 

The old cliche that they overcame their despair. They as in mostly women. Just their smiles make me cringe. My conclusion is that new age therapies are mostly profit based and have a strong feminine quality to them.

Therapy was once something male-dominated. Freud is the father of it. In the beginning it was quite rigorous. The reason I know this is because my psychiatrist followed the old-school ways. He took notes on a note pad, didn't show any of his own emotions, was monotone in voice, calculated the correct medication dosages and made sure none were hazardous when taken together. Oh and he was a realist. He was straight with me. For instance, when we discussed dating he didn't lie to me. He told me how it was. E.g. he said that I could try some new methods to get dates, but he said there were "absolutely  no guarantees" and that if they failed I'd need to learn to deal with them. I respected him. All the other new age therapists did the opposite. 

Conclusion: therapy was a waste for the most part. Sometimes there are good psychiatrists though who can give a small helping hand.

Hard to imagine anything worse than subcribing to brooklyn minds news letter Smile

Rebecca Sinclair looks like she belongs in a horror movie and Owen Muir looks like he should be on the FBI watchlist for potential child sex offenders.

I have never really been to a therapist besides when my mother made me go to one to do that mind career aptitude test. What a waste of money that was though.

I do have issues though. I just use to deal with them by listening to heavy music and also training, sometimes both at the same time.

I do know one thing, pharmaceutical drugs are not the answer. They can quicky turn you into a drug addict. 

I would suggest you keep up with your hobbies like piano playing. Finish your degree and get yourself a decent Job. Remember that most specimens walking around have serious issues. I would say behind all the hollywood white smiles a good 98% of people are suffering from depression, anxiety or both.

I won't give you advice on women because it seems everyone today is giving their 'expert' advice on women or how to make money. All I will say is, I think I have trust issues aswell. I am highly skeptical of other people, women included. I also have a rather pessimistic view of the world so I am sure these therapists would love to get their hands on my brain.

Guys like me and you are like 'onions' from Shrek. We have lots of layers. If you have seen the movie you will get it Smile
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(02-07-2019, 06:36 AM)Brett Wrote: Hard to imagine anything worse than subcribing to brooklyn minds news letter Smile

Rebecca Sinclair looks like she belongs in a horror movie and Owen Muir looks like he should be on the FBI watchlist for potential child sex offenders.

I have never really been to a therapist besides when my mother made me go to one to do that mind career aptitude test. What a waste of money that was though.

I do have issues though. I just use to deal with them by listening to heavy music and also training, sometimes both at the same time.

I do know one thing, pharmaceutical drugs are not the answer. They can quicky turn you into a drug addict. 

I would suggest you keep up with your hobbies like piano playing. Finish your degree and get yourself a decent Job. Remember that most specimens walking around have serious issues. I would say behind all the hollywood white smiles a good 98% of people are suffering from depression, anxiety or both.

I won't give you advice on women because it seems everyone today is giving their 'expert' advice on women or how to make money. All I will say is, I think I have trust issues aswell. I am highly skeptical of other people, women included. I also have a rather pessimistic view of the world so I am sure these therapists would love to get their hands on my brain.

Guys like me and you are like 'onions' from Shrek. We have lots of layers. If you have seen the movie you will get it Smile
Hey Brett,

Yeah, that gaze of hers gives off that impression. I actually never saw or spoke with her while there thankfully. Owen for sure. He is married to Carlene. He is short, fat and has an unforgettable accent. 

Sounds like your way of dealing with things works. Music is a great outlet for me as well, but through playing music. I don't normally listen to anything while lifting. I just lift in my bedroom with no sound so I focus. However, metal will definitely get your adrenaline going. Rob Zombie is good.

Pharmaceutical drugs are not the total solution. They are a small helping hand. There are some individuals that do require meds such as those with bipolar disorder. Other things are needed like self-discipline, being positive within reasonable limits as in not overly-optimistic nor overly-negative. Rather somewhere in between the two extremes. To be content and assertive in life. 

Yeah, that is my current plan at moment. Graduate, get better at piano leading to more self-worth, and get a good job. Also what might help is getting the hell out of NY as it's anxiety-inducing and gloomy. Even spring and summer it still looks gloomy. And the people are mostly drones on the streets. Prefer a smaller city like Boston, Seattle or Austin. 

Probably right about everyone having issues. Red carpet shows are lavishly designed to make actors/actresses appear like perfect humans. Just like music videos and films. Just well-made photography with the right facial glances and body poses. 

Layers is a great metaphor. Best to not let people cut too deep into your onion brain as that stuff is sacred and your own personal business. 

Thanks man.
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All that A therapy done for me was diagnose me . and the talk and talk therapist does help to some degree just there artificial reality within reality. They won’t telll you it society your too much internet your that something else they never tell you the truth! Some there tips help and then,all they can do is give you meds .

To me they can’t really help they have problems too!
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(02-07-2019, 07:45 PM)Plato Wrote: All that A  therapy  done for me was diagnose me . and the talk and talk therapist does help to some degree just there artificial reality within reality. They won’t telll you it society your too much internet your that something else they never tell you the truth! Some there tips help and then,all they can do is give you meds .

To me they can’t really help they have problems too!
Diagnosis is pretty much the most they can do. Meds can help ease whatever pain someone experiences. However, the problem is that the whole therapist community has portrayed "normal suffering" as some kind of plague that needs to be cured. But how can this be? For the past few thousand years humans have always dealt with suffering and didn't need therapists or special kinds of care. Well, of course therapists weren't really existent back before the 20th century. Normally one went to a priest or a philosopher for guidance on matters of suffering. Point is that suffering is inevitable and one must simply deal with it. 

Therapy has some or a marginal benefits, but not as much as the therapists will claim. They exaggerate or lie about how they will help.
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(02-07-2019, 05:57 PM)locutus24 Wrote: Hey Brett,

Yeah, that gaze of hers gives off that impression. I actually never saw or spoke with her while there thankfully. Owen for sure. He is married to Carlene. He is short, fat and has an unforgettable accent. 

Sounds like your way of dealing with things works. Music is a great outlet for me as well, but through playing music. I don't normally listen to anything while lifting. I just lift in my bedroom with no sound so I focus. However, metal will definitely get your adrenaline going. Rob Zombie is good.

Pharmaceutical drugs are not the total solution. They are a small helping hand. There are some individuals that do require meds such as those with bipolar disorder. Other things are needed like self-discipline, being positive within reasonable limits as in not overly-optimistic nor overly-negative. Rather somewhere in between the two extremes. To be content and assertive in life. 

Yeah, that is my current plan at moment. Graduate, get better at piano leading to more self-worth, and get a good job. Also what might help is getting the hell out of NY as it's anxiety-inducing and gloomy. Even spring and summer it still looks gloomy. And the people are mostly drones on the streets. Prefer a smaller city like Boston, Seattle or Austin. 

Probably right about everyone having issues. Red carpet shows are lavishly designed to make actors/actresses appear like perfect humans. Just like music videos and films. Just well-made photography with the right facial glances and body poses. 

Layers is a great metaphor. Best to not let people cut too deep into your onion brain as that stuff is sacred and your own personal business. 

Thanks man.

I listen to so much different music its hard to name it all.

You mentioned Opeth, I like their album damnation and the song window pane. Not really a fan of their death metal stuff though.

I like the classics like Black Sabbath - paranoid, solitude, The rolling stones - painted black, the eagles - hotel california, heart - barracuda, bob marley - natural mystic, the bee gees - tragedy, budgie - zoom club, rush - anthem, depeche mode - I feel you, etc.

But thats just some of the old stuff. My father plays clasical guitar so I have been exposed to lots of classical music. Growing up he always played alot of neil young, bob dylan, miles davis, norah jones, leonard cohen, thin lizzy, AC/DC, the cult, the cure, the doors, Jimi hendrix, johhny cash, and plenty of early blues music like robert johnson and the like. One of his favourites is Rodrigues - sugar man.

I like my heavier music too such as staind, mudvayne, Godsmack, 36 crazy fists, Adelitas way, disturbed, parkway drive, seether etc. I enjoy working out to Rammestein, I like their industrial metal sound.
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I have found out that working with your hands and doing mechanical work on cars, bicycles...etc. to be more therapeutic and relaxing. Of course, you have to be doing it for yourself and not for work. Otherwise, it becomes a job.
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#8
art can also be therapeutic I don think Diagnosis is bad I would never knew I had bpd without going to one . think it can benefit some people like also have psychotic tendencies. some people with schizophrenia could benefit knowing they have it as well .
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(02-08-2019, 01:19 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote: I have found out that working with your hands and doing mechanical work on cars, bicycles...etc. to be more therapeutic and relaxing. Of course, you have to be doing it for yourself and not for work. Otherwise, it becomes a job.
Piano does the job for me. It fully engages the mind. Try learning a minuet by JS Bach. You won't be bothered by any other thought except making sure you are spot on with the notes.
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I love to play the guitar. It is very therapeutic, as well as weight training. Nothing beats the sense of euphoria from a set of nice curls where you can literally feel the blood pump the biceps like pumping a balloon full of hot air. God it feels great.
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