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Fitness Industry Scams
#31
(11-21-2018, 02:10 PM)Brett Wrote:
(11-21-2018, 01:25 PM)jimjohnson Wrote:
(11-20-2018, 04:41 PM)Brett Wrote:
(11-20-2018, 04:28 PM)khrazz Wrote:
(11-20-2018, 12:32 PM)Brett Wrote: While I agree with most of what you say, nothing is a 'law' when it comes to building muscle. 

The only point I really disagree on is where you say that a person hitting each muscle group twice a week will not reach their full genetic potential (because they not doing it three times a week).

I train my traps on Monday (directly), Tuesday (indirectly), thursday (directly) and Friday (indirectly). They never feel overtrained and are becoming one of my best body parts. According to Dr... My traps should be getting smaller from overtraining. I aslo train my forearms indirectly on the same days I do traps. I have favourable genetics for traps however, which is why they are responding, if I didn't, no amount of training would matter. 

My chest has always been a strong body part .I train it with two push days a week (and I guess it gets some small stimulation from pullups on my two other pull days but its minimal). Although back in college I remember I only used to train it once a week, and it never got smaller, it just remained the same size (fairly big for a skinny natural).

At the moment I only train biceps directly once a week and indirectly twice a week (triceps twice). My arms have been between 39cm - 41cm (40cm at the moment) for the last 5 years. I've been in the bodybuilding game for too long to know that training them three times a week won't make a measurable difference (not if I want to stay lean). I started lifting weights when I was about 10-13 (I forget, but I do know the first exercise I ever did were dumbbell curls with my dads old dumbbells, which I still use today) but my point being its been a long time and I've tried everything.

Sometimes the best thing you can do is just accept your body for what it is and stop obsessing over the perfect amount of reps and sets and frequency. There is no getting beyond your genetics. We can argue until we blue in the face, but sooner or later your gains will drastically slow down on a full body (3 times a week program) just like they would on any other program, and then you might reconsider training each muscle group less times a week for your own mental health (unless you enjoy it and the muscle responds well to it like traps to me).

I did not say you wont reach your genetic max. All i said was that it will take twice as long, or maybe even more . Does it matter if you just want to be healthy and fit? Not really. It only matters for people who wish to maximize their gains for their personal improvement or for their athletic endeavors.

By the way, full body has its drawbacks also. Its very tiring especially when the total workload increases and there are a lot of compound movements and very few isolation movements.

I have found that full body 3 times a week works best for building general fitness and increasing your work capacity. Its also great for cutting, cause you get 4 days off from training and can focus more on cardio/rest. Obviously, full body is nothing magical and you wont get steroid like results. Its just a different training method to follow.

At the end of the day, all roads lead to Rome. Some might get you faster there some might get you slower.

Okay I feel you, I must of misinterpreted that part. However, to be fair, as a natural we only have so much muscle we can put on. So why rush to get it all in say 3 years and then make no more gains after that (except some strenght). Why not just train moderately (any half decent program a natty will make noob gains on for the first year atleaset as long as the nutrition and sleep is adequate) and then have something to work towards over the next couple of years. 

In the beginning we all want gains as fast as possible, but once we close to our max, we all kinda wish we still had some gains to make, if you know what I mean Smile

Agreed....some serious bro science coming out now...

And what if you are at the genetic potential? Once a week Maintenance is all you need then right? I mean...once you hit the ceiling no amount of extra work will do anything...

How do you know how far off your "potential" you are anyway?

My advice..just lift some weights 2x week...focus on nutrition/diet.

You will now when after 5+ years you look exactly the same but you training harder than ever. 

2x is plenty. Although back can take a beating (4x)

Legs can handle 3x as well but not necessary.

1x week perfect for maintenance. I trained my neck today after about a week off from bridges and neck planks. Neck is even stronger since last workout.

what do you train your neck with?
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#32
(11-22-2018, 01:10 PM)jimjohnson Wrote:
(11-21-2018, 02:10 PM)Brett Wrote:
(11-21-2018, 01:25 PM)jimjohnson Wrote:
(11-20-2018, 04:41 PM)Brett Wrote:
(11-20-2018, 04:28 PM)khrazz Wrote: I did not say you wont reach your genetic max. All i said was that it will take twice as long, or maybe even more . Does it matter if you just want to be healthy and fit? Not really. It only matters for people who wish to maximize their gains for their personal improvement or for their athletic endeavors.

By the way, full body has its drawbacks also. Its very tiring especially when the total workload increases and there are a lot of compound movements and very few isolation movements.

I have found that full body 3 times a week works best for building general fitness and increasing your work capacity. Its also great for cutting, cause you get 4 days off from training and can focus more on cardio/rest. Obviously, full body is nothing magical and you wont get steroid like results. Its just a different training method to follow.

At the end of the day, all roads lead to Rome. Some might get you faster there some might get you slower.

Okay I feel you, I must of misinterpreted that part. However, to be fair, as a natural we only have so much muscle we can put on. So why rush to get it all in say 3 years and then make no more gains after that (except some strenght). Why not just train moderately (any half decent program a natty will make noob gains on for the first year atleaset as long as the nutrition and sleep is adequate) and then have something to work towards over the next couple of years. 

In the beginning we all want gains as fast as possible, but once we close to our max, we all kinda wish we still had some gains to make, if you know what I mean Smile

Agreed....some serious bro science coming out now...

And what if you are at the genetic potential? Once a week Maintenance is all you need then right? I mean...once you hit the ceiling no amount of extra work will do anything...

How do you know how far off your "potential" you are anyway?

My advice..just lift some weights 2x week...focus on nutrition/diet.

You will now when after 5+ years you look exactly the same but you training harder than ever. 

2x is plenty. Although back can take a beating (4x)

Legs can handle 3x as well but not necessary.

1x week perfect for maintenance. I trained my neck today after about a week off from bridges and neck planks. Neck is even stronger since last workout.

what do you train your neck with?

I just train with bodyweight in my room. I start with lying neck curls, do about 3 sets to failure. Then I move to neck planks (normal plank except hands behind back). Then neck bridges (I do both static holds and some rocking back and forth ones). Then some neck planks with feet on my bed.

The only equipment I use is a small pillow and a rolled up scarf to pad between my head and the ground.

When I first started I used to do front neck planks against the wall. Then I Graduated to lying neck planks, then bridges (I want to do them like Mike Tyson Smile )
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#33
(11-22-2018, 01:27 PM)Brett Wrote:
(11-22-2018, 01:10 PM)jimjohnson Wrote:
(11-21-2018, 02:10 PM)Brett Wrote:
(11-21-2018, 01:25 PM)jimjohnson Wrote:
(11-20-2018, 04:41 PM)Brett Wrote: Okay I feel you, I must of misinterpreted that part. However, to be fair, as a natural we only have so much muscle we can put on. So why rush to get it all in say 3 years and then make no more gains after that (except some strenght). Why not just train moderately (any half decent program a natty will make noob gains on for the first year atleaset as long as the nutrition and sleep is adequate) and then have something to work towards over the next couple of years. 

In the beginning we all want gains as fast as possible, but once we close to our max, we all kinda wish we still had some gains to make, if you know what I mean Smile

Agreed....some serious bro science coming out now...

And what if you are at the genetic potential? Once a week Maintenance is all you need then right? I mean...once you hit the ceiling no amount of extra work will do anything...

How do you know how far off your "potential" you are anyway?

My advice..just lift some weights 2x week...focus on nutrition/diet.

You will now when after 5+ years you look exactly the same but you training harder than ever. 

2x is plenty. Although back can take a beating (4x)

Legs can handle 3x as well but not necessary.

1x week perfect for maintenance. I trained my neck today after about a week off from bridges and neck planks. Neck is even stronger since last workout.

what do you train your neck with?

I just train with bodyweight in my room. I start with lying neck curls, do about 3 sets to failure. Then I move to neck planks (normal plank except hands behind back). Then neck bridges (I do both static holds and some rocking back and forth ones). Then some neck planks with feet on my bed.

The only equipment I use is a small pillow and a rolled up scarf to pad between my head and the ground.

When I first started I used to do front neck planks against the wall. Then I Graduated to lying neck planks, then bridges (I want to do them like Mike Tyson Smile )

OUCH....i'll leave that alone. What if you slip?
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#34
(11-22-2018, 08:53 PM)jimjohnson Wrote:
(11-22-2018, 01:27 PM)Brett Wrote:
(11-22-2018, 01:10 PM)jimjohnson Wrote:
(11-21-2018, 02:10 PM)Brett Wrote: You will now when after 5+ years you look exactly the same but you training harder than ever. 

2x is plenty. Although back can take a beating (4x)

Legs can handle 3x as well but not necessary.

1x week perfect for maintenance. I trained my neck today after about a week off from bridges and neck planks. Neck is even stronger since last workout.

what do you train your neck with?

I just train with bodyweight in my room. I start with lying neck curls, do about 3 sets to failure. Then I move to neck planks (normal plank except hands behind back). Then neck bridges (I do both static holds and some rocking back and forth ones). Then some neck planks with feet on my bed.

The only equipment I use is a small pillow and a rolled up scarf to pad between my head and the ground.

When I first started I used to do front neck planks against the wall. Then I Graduated to lying neck planks, then bridges (I want to do them like Mike Tyson Smile )

OUCH....i'll leave that alone. What if you slip?

Then I die.
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#35
On the website, in the comments about an article on steroids, someone asked if steroids make men facially more attractive. I thought: Ah Ha. Another huge scam of the fitness industry.

The fitness industry generally only uses attractive (and young) men in their promotions. This subtly gives young, naïve males the impression that if you do what they say, you will be facially more attractive. This is suggested/implied rather than stated, so technically, not a scam. But it still is.
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#36
(11-30-2018, 04:54 AM)Simple Simon Wrote: On the website, in the comments about an article on steroids, someone asked if steroids make men facially more attractive. I thought: Ah Ha. Another huge scam of the fitness industry.

The fitness industry generally only uses attractive (and young) men in their promotions. This subtly gives young, naïve males the impression that if you do what they say, you will be facially more attractive. This is suggested/implied rather than stated, so technically, not a scam. But it still is.

They cant make you facially more attractive, but they can increase how manly your face looks, particularly the jawline. Couple that with decreased bodyfat, which in return removes face fat, and you now have an aesthetic face .
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#37
^ Hmmm...OK, thanks.
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#38
(12-01-2018, 11:05 PM)khrazz Wrote:
(11-30-2018, 04:54 AM)Simple Simon Wrote: On the website, in the comments about an article on steroids, someone asked if steroids make men facially more attractive. I thought: Ah Ha. Another huge scam of the fitness industry.

The fitness industry generally only uses attractive (and young) men in their promotions. This subtly gives young, naïve males the impression that if you do what they say, you will be facially more attractive. This is suggested/implied rather than stated, so technically, not a scam. But it still is.

They cant make you facially more attractive, but they can increase how manly your face looks, particularly the jawline. Couple that with decreased bodyfat, which in return removes face fat, and you now have an aesthetic face .
but the balding,acne and heart attack might nullify this?
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#39
(12-02-2018, 06:18 PM)jimjohnson Wrote:
(12-01-2018, 11:05 PM)khrazz Wrote:
(11-30-2018, 04:54 AM)Simple Simon Wrote: On the website, in the comments about an article on steroids, someone asked if steroids make men facially more attractive. I thought: Ah Ha. Another huge scam of the fitness industry.

The fitness industry generally only uses attractive (and young) men in their promotions. This subtly gives young, naïve males the impression that if you do what they say, you will be facially more attractive. This is suggested/implied rather than stated, so technically, not a scam. But it still is.

They cant make you facially more attractive, but they can increase how manly your face looks, particularly the jawline. Couple that with decreased bodyfat, which in return removes face fat, and you now have an aesthetic face .
but the balding,acne and heart attack might nullify this?

This is genetic and how your body responds to drugs, in this case androgens.

Acne is mostly a hygiene issue, and once you realize what causes what you can try counter it . Acne = hygiene, so washing yourself with soap and sun exposure usually seals the problem. If you have acne breakout, you may need to use certain supplements/meds, but in most cases proper hygiene is the issue above all.

Balding, this is caused by raised DHT levels. If balding runs in your family androgens will only accelerate what will eventually happen . There are many meds that help with balding, some DHT blockers come to my mind, but they are very horrible for your hormonal profile and actually cause more problem than androgens themselves.
Heart attack, if someone has a terrible diet, coupled with huge bodyweight,poor sleep scedule,no cardio, and uses drugs in combination with anabolics you cant expect him to live long do you. Actually even if you take anabolics out of the equation he will still have a heart attack, maybe not in 1 year, but 2 years mark.

I am not saying androgens have no side effects obviously. But they are not the demon modern media makes them out to be (well, at least not the mild ones). Alcohol and MC donalds are WAY worse for your everyday health, and cause more problems in the long run (obesity, diabetes, heart attack - to name a few)

The poison is in the dose...
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#40
some of the PED's cause enlarging of the heart and chambers..
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