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[Online dating - Ways to master your game]
#11
All those highly sophisticated strategies prove that the modern dating market is insane.

Men spend their evenings reading five sub-reddits, 10 blogs and watching 20 YT videos on dating while women do what exactly?

Nothing.

It's completely insane.

And don't start that "I do it for myself." nonsense.

No you don't. You do it because it is required of you to get bitches.

Honing your skills. I mean come on. Did you grandfather hone his chick picking skills? Did he read books on getting girls?

The more you try to satisfy them; the worse this whole thing gets.

IMO, the best way is to not give a damn about any of this. To do whatever you want. To call the truth for what it is.
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#12
(11-13-2018, 02:11 PM)khrazz Wrote:
(11-12-2018, 04:13 PM)Brett Wrote: Look good.
Talk to women.
Identify the yes'es from the no's from the maybe's.
Get laid (if that's what you after)

Its not complicated. Law of averages applies.

Confidence comes from being okay with insecurity. Fear will always remain. 

The successful men are rejected a lot. The difference is, they don't give up at the first sign of difficulty and they believe in themselves.

My experience with online dating (tinder) is this: I can either swipe on 100 girls, get 10 matches and maybe talk to 3 and perhaps get a date. Or I can go out and approach 100 girls, get 30 numbers and maybe land 10 dates.

Nothing will ever beat you in person. No screens to hide behind. Its you. If she doesn't like you, she won't talk to you. If she won't talk to you, don't tell her to give you her number (she's a no). If she responds to you and you build some rapore, but after getting her number she won't go on a date with you, but still texts you (she's a maybe, treat her like a no). If you build rapore and she willingly gives you her number which leads to a date (she's a yes).

That's the idea. No magic tricks or special effects. 

The only thing I can highly recommend is that you perhaps quit pornography (for good). Watching porn and trying to improve your dating life at the same time is like, fucking for virginity.

To my experience fear can be eliminated only if you expose yourself to situations that completely go against your comfort zone. I used to fear going for a drink by myself, because i though people would "think" of me as a creepy guy. The reality is that i got myself into the best situations that i would 99% not live if i had company with me.

I agree nothing beats you in person. Thing is, if someone has social anxiety then going from point 0 to point 10 (point 10 being talking with ease to someone you dont know) is not going to grand much success and it could create a negative feedback to the brain that "you are not good enough to do this". Online dating/chatting can be used to hone your skills. After all, you are still talking to a human, and the way you talk through chat is the way you are going to talk in person. Is that the best way to do it? Well, for someone who has social anxiety or is inexperienced in handling conversations going to a party to meet people (like the common wisdom suggests) is actually , in my experience , the worst thing he can do,because  he will just stare at the people talking/hooking up infront of him all night  and him not being able to do this will make his anxiety even worse. This is also the reason a lot of people use party drugs to begin with, and eventually get hooked up to them.

Yeah, that is exactly how I got into a problem with alcohol and drugs. My anxiety was running rampant and I couldn't admit it to myself when I was like eighteen and lower twenties and so in social situations I needed a fix, usually in the form of excessive alcohol, to block out the fear. 

This obviously led to the very thing I was fearing to happen--that people would think badly of me... Because I started behaving like an anti social idiot when drunk, probably out of anger and frustration of the anxiety

(11-13-2018, 02:34 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote: All those highly sophisticated strategies prove that the modern dating market is insane.

Men spend their evenings reading five sub-reddits, 10 blogs and watching 20 YT videos on dating while women do what exactly?

Nothing.

It's completely insane.

And don't start that "I do it for myself." nonsense.

No you don't. You do it because it is required of you to get bitches.

Honing your skills. I mean come on. Did you grandfather hone his chick picking skills? Did he read books on getting girls?

The more you try to satisfy them; the worse this whole thing gets.

IMO, the best way is to not give a damn about any of this. To do whatever you want. To call the truth for what it is.

I agree that not giving a damn is the key. But that is almost impossible to achieve in my opinion. If you genuinely do give a damn about a girl you like, acting like you don't is entering "strategy" territory again.

"do whatever you want"... Again, I agree, but I think what most people really want is anything they can't have. A lot of the time what it isn't necessarily about the girl... or sex... but more about the ego and the feeling of being accepted. The grass is always greener. Having been married for about 6 years, I can say I sow t my single days trying to get girls and my married days trying to get time to myself.
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#13
the problem is not just girls but people all they want to do is drink and play games . you cant speak philsosophy to girl they complain and say stop being negative . women can be smart but there not very aware your understanding of society . tbh that most people I cant relate to people anymore.
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#14
(11-13-2018, 05:18 PM)Jonesy Wrote: Yeah, that is exactly how I got into a problem with alcohol and drugs. My anxiety was running rampant and I couldn't admit it to myself when I was like eighteen and lower twenties and so in social situations I needed a fix, usually in the form of excessive alcohol, to block out the fear. 

This obviously led to the very thing I was fearing to happen--that people would think badly of me... Because I started behaving like an anti social idiot when drunk, probably out of anger and frustration of the anxiety


Thats where the party scenes trap is . People who are hooked to drugs know exactly what people to look for and know exactly what to say and how to serve the poison. I met a lot of people in college who tried to hook me up into weed smoking. Now how do you know if someone is truly your friend there and not just another asshole who just wants to see you fall even deeper?

Well one thing i noticed about such people is that they are  always blaming you for your current state of life. Its always YOUR problem and your way of doing things. Now how do you fix that? Well ofcourse, by becoming a party animal and trying lots of drugs cause "women love drug users, hell even women use drugs!".
Thats how the poison is served, and you can very easily fall into the trap which you might never escape from. Remember one thing, a drug user, is always looking for a way to get a discount for his drug protocol, and how does he get a discount? By bringing in more people to buy the drug. This is also seen in anabolic steroid users. You always have the supplier, but you also have the guys who are in search for new clients in hopes of getting free stuff or stuff on discount.

Be very careful of being given "free stuff" (48 laws of power book explains it in a very good way - i suggest you read it). Free stuff ALWAYS has a motive behind it. Nothing is ever being given "free" unless its a present for a birthday (even then there could be a hidden motive) or the present is being given by someone very close to you. As 48 laws of power states, a free present is usually given to make you like the person and to hide a malicious motive (usually a way to being leveraged). Over the years i have stopped asking for presents  thanks to this book, and once you stop "asking" for presents people only give you presents by their good will and not by being forced by a circumstance.

(11-13-2018, 02:34 PM)TruthSeeker Wrote: All those highly sophisticated strategies prove that the modern dating market is insane.

Men spend their evenings reading five sub-reddits, 10 blogs and watching 20 YT videos on dating while women do what exactly?

Nothing.

It's completely insane
.

And don't start that "I do it for myself." nonsense.

No you don't. You do it because it is required of you to get bitches.

Honing your skills. I mean come on. Did you grandfather hone his chick picking skills? Did he read books on getting girls?

The more you try to satisfy them; the worse this whole thing gets.

IMO, the best way is to not give a damn about any of this. To do whatever you want. To call the truth for what it is.

i disagree. If that was 100% true, beauty artist (or make-up artists) on youtube who are 95% women btw, would not make so much money selling beauty advice and relationship advice to women. Women have the same issues as men have. Women get played on and spat on. We only tend to see it from the male perspective (obviously) but if you think of it females run into the same issues as men do. After all, if that were the case, there would be no single women and only single men.
Is it easier for a women to find a man? Well, "easy" is a very strange word to use here, because just as it was easy for her to get a boyfriend, it was just as easy for the guy to get a girlfriend. It all has to do with the timing and the circumstance. I have met women who once they break up they immediately jump to the next relationship - classic mistake a LOT of people do, be it female or male. What this does however is open up lots of problems that go unresolved - and that leads to sadness and anger. I have also met women who once they break up, they prefer to just be left alone for a reasonable time. Again... circumstance. Different people who want different things.

Btw, pick up artists are a huge scam. As you have already said in the past. Pick up artists is what feminism is to women. What does feminism do to women? They kill their ego, their desire, and their self esteem. Then after doing that, it feeds them with tons of insecurity and anger (typical emotional manipulation, religion does that too) and those women eventually evolve into angry fat and horny bitches who nobody wants to fuck them. And this makes them even more angry and... so on and so forth.

Pick up artists do the same shit. You dont know how to talk to women, so pay me 50euro for a bullshit book to let me teach you how to do things right. Also the YT videos, with the payed actresses or by nitpicking the positive videos (like 1 out of 20) and pushing aside the "bad" reaction videos. One look at a pick-up artists video can make you think like you are the absolute worst human being and they are like the magician pulling the hare out of their magical hat. All his "attempts" end up with women "liking him" and giving him their phone number or even kissing "in front of the camera" yea like they cannot notice a guy holding a phone in his hands in the background...

Its all bullshit seriously. And i feel sorry for the people who fall for such stuff.
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#15
The female drama is different.

It's not that they cannot find anyone. They just can't secure the right TALL, RICH, HANDSOME man. That's it. They either can't find a man like that interested in them or they cannot keep him. Their make-up tactics and over-clothing are designed to do just that - attract that bad boy.

Meanwhile, they will ignore plenty of average guys throwing themselves at them. The vast majority of modern women want more than they deserve. More importantly, they want a finished product. A dude that will boost their life right away. They do not want to build things up. They want to buy them.

On the other hand, men have lower standards. This is advantageous to the average girl because there will always be a horde of horny dudes begging her to send them nudes and what not.
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