[Online dating - Ways to master your game]

[khrazz]

Greetings.

In this thread i am going to share my experience in how you can use online social media to increase your game and self confidence. Online dating is something relative new to the human world (almost 20-30 years old at the most) and as years go by new apps appear with a gazillion of new features. I remember when i was in my teens i used MSN extensively, while a lot of other teens (mostly girls) used Hi5. But those where pretty much it (at least in Greece as i recall) . I was a very troubled teen back then, and i found using the internet to meet people a lot "safer". Even then however i always used aliases and never my real photo cause i, for some strange reason back then, was ashamed of my face and i though i was ugly. The funny thing is that - according to a lot of women - i have met i am 9/10 in looks. Yet, i had a lot of trouble getting a girlfriend, and managed to get friendzoned 8 consecutive times before i finally got myself into a relationship. Obviously, it was my fault for the most part - but that i did not know that back then .  I am telling you this not to brag but to show you that even if you are a 10/10 if you play your cards wrong you are going to get dumped . It has nothing to do with looks (though they can act at your favor) but more with your persona. But more on that later.


Before we go onto the basics of a good profile, we first need to go to accept some certain rules of online dating. These rules act more as a psychological convinience because knowing beforehand what you will face is gonna let you accept bad results without you becoming frustrated and fed up.

Acceptance

1. Accept that this activity, is time consuming (like everything dating wise)
2. Accept that this activity, is shallow
3. Accept that you are talking to a stranger, and just like she would not share her deepest problems with you in person the first moment you see each other, it will be just like this through chatting. The only thing that changes is the removed tension you get when a stranger completely out of nowhere talks to you. Nothing more nothing less
4. Accept the fact that if she is on a dating site/chat she might be talking to other guys also.
5. Accept that she might be a slut looking for easy hookups and ways to cheat on her boyfriend while he is away. Something to note here, even flirt talking can be considered as cheating if taken too far. Always remember that women use social media as a way to get out their frustration - just like guys use the gym or football as a way to vent of anger.


After accepting the "acceptance" list, we move to the rules of online dating.

Rules

1. Never ever give your phone number to a "woman" you have just met online. You are going to 95% either get blown off (she will never call) or get pranked ("she" could be a dude just making fun of you). Always give your phone number after talking to her for at least 1 consecutive week, or for a couple of hours without pause.  Dudes who try prank people are usually more "aggresive" and usually provoke other men into giving their personal data - dont let this happen to you. IF SHE SOUNDS TO GOOD TO BE TRUE, SHE PROBABLY IS.
2. Do not send photos of you that could otherwise be used against you. This is especially true if you are talking to chatrooms which have no photos or if you use dating apps that are notorious for having a lot of spam bots or pranksters.
3. Along with rule 2, never ever share where you work, live, eat,poop etc. It might be a harmless woman just wanting to meet people, but it could also be a prankster or worse a phycho.
4. If you are given a facebook profile to add, always check her photos before adding. Why do this? Well i had to find this the hard way. Let me tell you a personal story. I was once chatting with a "girl". She seemed nice, and back then i had just broken up so i wanted to meet new women to have casual flings. Anyway we talked for a bit and after a certain point our conversation got stale (this is a bad sign, but not for the reason you think) so "she" asked for my profile so that she can see me. Anyway, i was very reluctant (having a lot of past experience on this i knew about such give-aways) but she insisted and actually said that she was about to leave from her home anyway and wanted us to keep in touch. So i gave her my profile. She saw me. And then gave me her profile. Her picture was astonishing. I was like wtf i am in love . Yeaaa not quite.. After adding her on facebook i did not get an answer from her for like a week. During that time, i did a brief research on her profile. Her profile seemed off. Not a lot of women replying to her photos, and there was a huge lack of photo variety. Long story short, it was a fake profile and the guy used an uknown model. So how do you check her photos?

• If you see a perfect photo, always press "view image" and copy paste the link on google. If it happens to be a photo downloaded from google it is going to be shown. Some people take it a step further and use microsoft paint in order to remove the link, but if you do download the photo and right click on the files properties you are going to see when it was downloaded and when it was edited.
  
• If the profile you are given looks barren and otherwise fake, it is
  
• If the profile has only male comments on her photos, its fake
  

• if she gets comments from women that look like porn star material its fake - and it pays to check their profile also. Usually such trolling profiles are open but that openess can open your mind and save you from ridicule.
  

Now, we finally move to the laws. The laws are not to be broken. They serve as a way to maximize your outreach and game.

Laws


1. Your profile, is your identity. Which means, no dark pictures, no creepy pictures of you watching anime,no stupid cat pictures from lolcats.com
2. Your photos, need to be top notch and well though. You can have some random photos here and there, but they must be limited.
3. If you happen to be very muscular  DONT have pictures of you naked, unless you are searching for a hookup. If you want a relationship, what you need to build is tension. If she sees your body, before you getting naked infront of her, you remove the tension and possibly her interest in you. She will most likely just masturbate to your picture and thats it. Just like guys get over their ex by faping to her pictures. Plus (this happened to me) you run the risk of running in a shallow chick who wants a muscular man besides her so that she can feed her insecurities.
4. Always ask questions and sinsirely be interested in what she says. A lot of women go through guys who ask like 2-3 questions and then proceed to call them up for a hookup.
5. You need to have a life outside of social media. And she needs to see this. She needs to see what you personally have to offer and what goals you have. I am not talking about going to the clubs and getting smashed, i am talking about having your life in order, and simply allowing her to join your life, not the other way around.
6. Dont be a message gypsy. Dont shower her with fake compliments, or with a gazillion of questions. You need to be aloof. Women get wet for aloof men (unless she is mentally ill and wants 24/7 attention) This goes weill with point 5. to having a life outside of social media, and simply letting her enter your life, instead of begging her to accept you.
7. NEVER EVER change who you are for her. That is a recipe for disaster. You are you, and she is she. If she cannot accept you for what you are, then she has no place in your life.





Why all this you might ask? Cant she like me for my personality????

Well yes, she can. But part of her liking you, is her sexual attraction  and sexual tension. I am sorry to say this, but if you are really overweight or underweight, you are going to have a harder time matching with most women. Part of my past sexual failures was not only me being shy, but also me being very underweight (weighing 50kilos at 1.70).
Humans are ego driven animals. They always want the "perfect match" for them. Also, humans use visual perception as a way to assess their partners health. Other mammals use smell and pheromones to find their potential mate, and their strong scent acts as a shield against sick mates. If someone has a visual deficit, the human eye will always catch up to it and then the brain will immediately think that something is wrong with the image it "sees" . Is that bad? Well yes and no. Its something that is hard wired to our human DNA. You cant simply "get rid of it" much like you cant get rid of the need to sleep. Afterall, this hate for visual deficit is what helped us humans survive for so many years. Our brains love symmetry, but completely hates assymetry cause the later seems odd to the brain and gives the idea that something is wrong .

This is the reason men like "curvy" women, and women like "triangle" men. Those bodytypes are hard-wired to our brains as a way to assess the health of our partner .

Thats the end of the thread. Hope you enjoyed : i might add a few things if i forgot about them - i hope i helped you guys ! I would love to hear your thoughts on this matter.

Thanks a lot for reading

[Plato]

BEST way to get girls dont live at home

[TruthSeeker]

Meanwhile all she has to do is take a blurry 240p photo with her toaster and upload it. Men will be begging.

[Plato]

Meanwhile all she has to do is take a blurry 240p photo with her toaster and upload it. Men will be begging.

so true I been dating a lot differently and been only dating people who have more to offer : rather than looks like eg skill. personality and there view on the world .

[khrazz]

Meanwhile all she has to do is take a blurry 240p photo with her toaster and upload it. Men will be begging.

hahaha... : no this does not work. Or, at least, it does not work to the degree you think it does. There is a huge difference between hookup casual dating and dating in order to meet people in hopes of getting into a potential relationship. The latter demands honesty and having a 240p photo wont bring this result i am telling you.

Girls who have such mentality (using blurry 240p photos, lying about their identity etc,etc) usually end up as used cumbags because men who are deep into the game mentality can easily spot them and use them as sex toys. If they are lucky not to become a sex toy they are usually either ignored or quickly dumped. So no, men do not beg for such women. Only desperate men beg for such women and its actually them doing the bad thing in the end because they give too much attention to women who should otherwise be ignored due to their annoying behavior.


OK, what i am going to type here is NSFW (Not safe for Work)
A man never "begs" for attention. What you need to remember (i have read all your articles about men vs women btw) is that a woman accepts the man, not the other way around. During sex its the man that penetrates the woman, and this is the reason women are (biologically) more picky because they , unlike men, risk their lives during sex (STIs, unwanted pregnancy, rape ) Not that a man cannot risk his life by having sex and catching an unwanted STI bug, but they are statistically low in comparison. Womens biology is to be the support to man, the nurturer. This is the reason why women who are caught cheating or have the norm of being promiscious are labeled as "sluts"while men who are promiscious are labeled as "players".

[Jonesy]

I think the problem here is that if you have to put so much effort into all these manipulation tactics over social media just to date a woman then it is already a reflection of just how unbalanced the whole situation is.

If you were a millionaire, or a celebrity or looked like Jeff seid you could post multiple pictures of yourself playing world of warcraft in your underwear surrounded by empty packets of cheetos and you would get infinitely more success than a normal brah doing/saying the "right" thing.

[khrazz]

I think the problem here is that if you have to put so much effort into all these manipulation tactics over social media just to date a woman then it is already a reflection of just how unbalanced the whole situation is.

If you were a millionaire, or a celebrity or looked like Jeff seid you could post multiple pictures of yourself playing world of warcraft in your underwear surrounded by empty packets of cheetos and you would get infinitely more success than a normal brah doing/saying the "right" thing.

This goes back to the laws i have written, specifically law n5. Having a life outside of social media. Working on yourself, FOR yourself, and not some random woman, is what makes celebrities or Jeff seid being ahead of the curve.  What difference does Jeff seid have to a random dude playing wow all day? Well, Jeff seid (i am bring him up as an example here) has a 10/10 body (ok he uses gear ) has an OK face and has clean haircut. Someone who pays attention to his appearance if going to be rated as "good looking" at the most. You cannot change your face, nor your hairline - those are things you cannot control . But you CAN control your haircut, your facefat, face acne etc.

Now lets go back to the random wow playing dude. He is most likely chubby, or very thin. He most likely has no face aesthetics, maybe he has acne and/or oily skin. Him being rejected makes him a compulsive masturbator and addicted to games, which provide him an easy relief and instant gratification. As time goes by, he develops social anxiety, which makes him even more shy to girls around him and socially akward . This in the end creates a negative loop until he realize (if ever) that he has to break away from this negative loop.

[Jonesy]

I see what you're saying. It takes effort.

[Jonesy]

Good advice. Especially the "Confidence comes from being okay with insecurity. Fear will always remain." part. But approaching 100 girls and asking them out is sure to get you a reputation as "creepy". You would have to have pretty thick skin to get knocked back by 70 girls in your home town.

Also, the problem with face to face chat ups is that women much prefer the online method. You could overcome your fears of asking a woman on a date, but said woman is likely to feel uncomfortable even if you're not. When she has an easier method of tinder where she can sit and ponder her responses with as much care as she puts into her photo uploads, the "creep" who just put her on the spot is already off to a bad start.

That said, I guess that only applies to random girls. If you get to know people first it becomes easier. But just randomly hitting on girls you don't know doesn't usually turn out like in the movies from my experience.

[khrazz]

Look good.
Talk to women.
Identify the yes'es from the no's from the maybe's.
Get laid (if that's what you after)

Its not complicated. Law of averages applies.

Confidence comes from being okay with insecurity. Fear will always remain. 

The successful men are rejected a lot. The difference is, they don't give up at the first sign of difficulty and they believe in themselves.

My experience with online dating (tinder) is this: I can either swipe on 100 girls, get 10 matches and maybe talk to 3 and perhaps get a date. Or I can go out and approach 100 girls, get 30 numbers and maybe land 10 dates.

Nothing will ever beat you in person. No screens to hide behind. Its you. If she doesn't like you, she won't talk to you. If she won't talk to you, don't tell her to give you her number (she's a no). If she responds to you and you build some rapore, but after getting her number she won't go on a date with you, but still texts you (she's a maybe, treat her like a no). If you build rapore and she willingly gives you her number which leads to a date (she's a yes).

That's the idea. No magic tricks or special effects. 

The only thing I can highly recommend is that you perhaps quit pornography (for good). Watching porn and trying to improve your dating life at the same time is like, fucking for virginity.

To my experience fear can be eliminated only if you expose yourself to situations that completely go against your comfort zone. I used to fear going for a drink by myself, because i though people would "think" of me as a creepy guy. The reality is that i got myself into the best situations that i would 99% not live if i had company with me.

I agree nothing beats you in person. Thing is, if someone has social anxiety then going from point 0 to point 10 (point 10 being talking with ease to someone you dont know) is not going to grand much success and it could create a negative feedback to the brain that "you are not good enough to do this". Online dating/chatting can be used to hone your skills. After all, you are still talking to a human, and the way you talk through chat is the way you are going to talk in person. Is that the best way to do it? Well, for someone who has social anxiety or is inexperienced in handling conversations going to a party to meet people (like the common wisdom suggests) is actually , in my experience , the worst thing he can do,because  he will just stare at the people talking/hooking up infront of him all night and him not being able to do this will make his anxiety even worse. This is also the reason a lot of people use party drugs to begin with, and eventually get hooked up to them.