Dating Is a Scam and Highly Ineffective

[Hans]

What i will add here , is to work on yourself.

While that will usually not do miracles concerning your success with women, progressing in life can be quite satisfactory.

[Hans]

The best way to get a girlfriend is to be upront about your intentions and see if she feels the same or is interested in at least pursuing something more.

That has never worked for me, probably due to the reasons TruthSeeker mentioned.

If there are no signs of interests from a girl I like, I just leave ... otherwise it's a disaster waiting to happen.

All those times it never worked for you, I can assure you neither would the 'friendzone approach' have worked. Those women just weren't interested in you. At least the direct approach saved you time. Or would you rather have spent months if not years hovering around them in the friend zone waitng for your 'chance'?

The "friendzone approach" is not an alternative. No man of dignity should end up in the friend zone.
If the cards are stacked against you, just don't play. Simply let that girl go and move on.

[khrazz]

When I always strived to have a girlfriend (dating, social network dating, nigthlife and similar) I have never had a girlfriend haha
All my girlfriends just happen and it was smooth and natural
But if you want this to happen you have to socialize with people - just find a group of people with similar interest and some activity that you like (fitness, music, dancing, reading...anything) and you will find someone sooner or later through meetings, house parties, birthdays etc

this ! You cant force yourself into a relationship. Finding people to hang around with, and have fun, is the most efficient way to meeting potential girlfriends. Ofc, you can also manipulate social media to increase your chances even further.


What i will add here , is to work on yourself. People love to be around with someone that makes them feel good and have fun. Throw away this mindset of "dating is a scam". I am not telling you that dating is awesome, cause its not for various reasons, but all i say is to get rid of the negative mindset. People can "sense" negative mindset for miles away, and besides that, you are also shortchanging yourself by being negative. Throw away this mindset, and try to have fun with people you like to hang around with.

Once you in the friendzone though its harder to get sexual.

The best way to get a girlfriend is to be upront about your intentions and see if she feels the same or is interested in at least pursuing something more.
The worst thing you can do is pretend to be a girls friend just to try and sneak into her pants, it will probably backfire.

I understand exactly what you are saying though, and you aren't wrong. Your approach just works better if you simply aren't 'in the market' for a girlfriend. It can work for you inversely , but being direct about your intentions will always be the best approach if you are actively seeking a companion.

First of all, in my opinion, the best approach to getting women is to have  girl-friends (obviously you also need to have male friends). There is a lot of bullshit floating around in the internet that a true "alpha male" does not have girl-friends, thats very wrong for various reasons. If you have a bunch of women as friends, they are going to bring you their friends (women tend to have a lot of friends). Also, by surrounding yourself with women you can study their psychology, and you become a challenge for other women "why is this guy with this woman? maybe he has something special, i must find out" typical human curiosity.

Also, you become more relaxed with your interactions with women, which is something that will give you confidence when talking to other women you dont know. Its actually a win-win situation to be in.

Note, i am talking about having girl-friends here, and not being friendzoned. Those are completely different situations to be in.

[Hans]

First of all, in my opinion, the best approach to getting women is to have  girl-friends (obviously you also need to have male friends). There is a lot of bullshit floating around in the internet that a true "alpha male" does not have girl-friends, thats very wrong for various reasons. If you have a bunch of women as friends, they are going to bring you their friends (women tend to have a lot of friends). Also, by surrounding yourself with women you can study their psychology, and you become a challenge for other women "why is this guy with this woman? maybe he has something special, i must find out" typical human curiosity.

Also, you become more relaxed with your interactions with women, which is something that will give you confidence when talking to other women you dont know. Its actually a win-win situation to be in.

Note, i am talking about having girl-friends here, and not being friendzoned. Those are completely different situations to be in.

It's a very thin line ... you could easily morph into one of them (i.e., being friend-zoned).

A woman only considers you a challenge if you really "are with a woman" not if you're just floating around with them.

[Navigator]

The worst thing you can do is pretend to be a girls friend just to try and sneak into her pants, it will probably backfire.

Amen!
Happened to me many times  - you should be sexual right from the beginning on a date or you will end up in the friendzone if you are too nice (by sexual I mean to reveal you intention in a nice, not too much provocative way - "accidental" touching and looks, kisses, jokes about sex through conversation etc etc)

[TruthSeeker]

how do the elite date then  ?

Some of the elite date like the plebes, except that they focus on the rich social layers.

But there are also those who do it the old school way and try to preserve the bloodline by making a union with a family of equal importance. Kinda like the emperors who were marrying their daughters for political reasons.

[Plato]

how do the elite date then  ?

Some of the elite date like the plebes, except that they focus on the rich social layers.

But there are also those who do it the old school way and try to preserve the bloodline by making a union with a family of equal importance. Kinda like the emperors who were marrying their daughters for political reasons.

if dating is know good what should we do then? I agree all I am saying is through once people have one date, that it that there a relationship. That what happens to me anyway your at least 3 dates  first  . just be honest with them dont get why people play mind games . but dont see how the elite are dating any better because that not base on personality your attractive level , if my family told me to date this women for finance gain ill say NO .  I think my best dates have been with girls I just got to know and we just fall in love that way, your they fall in love with me .  I dont get the friend zone because sometimes some people are just looking for  friends tbh if I was friend with girl and she knew   ill tell her straight away then end the friend ship , not to sound big headed but if girl doesn't like me attractive wise I dont like them anyway.  mabey because that my bpd talking but it works . I don't mind girls as friends and such because they could hook you up and buy you drinks so it not all bad.  My best relationship was with mistress I met on BDSM munch first 3 hours we met we decided that was it . my problem is like you said girls scared on men like me because I get too attached because  of my BPD it when I am in  relationships is were I struggle . I do think meeting people is lot better , tinder can make you feel less attractive . I know am not some super model but I quite like myself there many people less attractive  then me.  and kids born with no arms and legs know  need to cry over having full body now .   I also think when men use friends zone things it being silly why the hell are you not making it clear you like her.  dont think friend zone really exist, mind games what is this monopoly .  don't stay up all night hoping she going to message you . if she likes you she will do it . also this message is not just for you nattyornot it for replying to the other comments as well  !