My Opinion on the MGTOW Movement

[RedPillOverdose]

The general concept of MGTOW makes perfect sense to me, especially now when I have had my large share of female hostility and rejection. I have been treated bad by many women. They have wasted my time, lied to me, manipulated me...etc. I learned a lot, but at the same time, I lost resources - mainly time and energy. I will never get them back. The regrets, and the metallic taste in my mouth will stay. I will never be able to love a woman. They successfully broke that in me.

For someone in my position, MGTOW's ideology makes a lot of sense. Yet I don't fully embrace it.

MGTOW logically eliminates a variable (women) which takes too much without giving back almost anything to the average person. If women were a business idea, giving up on them would be a logical step. "Cut your losses."

But women are not a business idea.

You were designed biologically to want them. You would never see a lion go MGTOW. Giving up on women is like choosing your gender - you can't really do it. The desire will always be there. It's 100% unnatural for a man NOT to want a woman.

This is why MGTOW is not for  young individuals - at least not in its extreme form. MGTOW makes fun of feminists who spend their best years chasing a meaningless career and yet many young men use MGTOW as an excuse to waste precious time on nonsense dopamine ventures too.

However, MGTOW can be a great choice for a divorced man with children.

This individual has already reproduced and has had his natural need for a woman satisfied. If this was me, I would probably go full-blown MGTOW without carrying at all. I would focus my energy on my children and myself.

Honestly, I don't think MGTOW is the solution. It can be a temporary medicine that you take, but in the long-term, something else is in order.

MGTOW has often accurately been renamed MSTOW, Men Sent Their Own Way. 

I believe there are some men who indeed, after being burned or widowed or taken to the cleaners, or some combination of the aforesaid, legitimately have decided that they want nothing to do with relationships altogether, perhaps permanently. 

But I also believe for the vast majority of men who boast they are some oh-so-disciplined Spartan who can overcome a biological drive for sex and a companion and are the ones doing the rejecting of women are full of crap! 

And ever notice that every other MGTOW hot shot on You Tube is (supposedly) industrious, high earning, highly experienced, and socially adapted but still chooses to reject the hordes of women begging to go out with them!   Yeah, sure, we are supposed to believe it is they doing the rejecting. 

They also claim that each and every other happily married man with kids is deep down miserable because he is truly a beta, pushover, sap, and wimp. Again, this is a cope in which one lashes out on those who have what he truly wants to have. 

What nearly all sane men truly understand is that there's no glory in being womanless. None! They can say they are fine with being alone (lonely, that is), but there are still few things in this world that can make  a man angrier than being womanless--for real! Being sexually frustrated, lonely, showing up to events alone, loveless, and in the end, knowing there isn't  a woman out there who who loved them enough to want to bear one's chilren--men who make believe they are immune to this, sorry, I am not buying it!

MGTOW is a cope for most who have been rejected by women or burned by the current riff between the sexes and nightmare dating scene. 

I thank whatever deity is out there I am happily married with a beautiful kid these days, another on the way.

[locutus24]

MGTOW has often accurately been renamed MSTOW, Men Sent Their Own Way. 

I believe there are some men who indeed, after being burned or widowed or taken to the cleaners, or some combination of the aforesaid, legitimately have decided that they want nothing to do with relationships altogether, perhaps permanently. 

But I also believe for the vast majority of men who boast they are some oh-so-disciplined Spartan who can overcome a biological drive for sex and a companion and are the ones doing the rejecting of women are full of crap! 

And ever notice that every other MGTOW hot shot on You Tube is (supposedly) industrious, high earning, highly experienced, and socially adapted but still chooses to reject the hordes of women begging to go out with them!   Yeah, sure, we are supposed to believe it is they doing the rejecting. 

They also claim that each and every other happily married man with kids is deep down miserable because he is truly a beta, pushover, sap, and wimp. Again, this is a cope in which one lashes out on those who have what he truly wants to have. 

What nearly all sane men truly understand is that there's no glory in being womanless. None! They can say they are fine with being alone (lonely, that is), but there are still few things in this world that can make  a man angrier than being womanless--for real! Being sexually frustrated, lonely, showing up to events alone, loveless, and in the end, knowing there isn't  a woman out there who who loved them enough to want to bear one's chilren--men who make believe they are immune to this, sorry, I am not buying it!

MGTOW is a cope for most who have been rejected by women or burned by the current riff between the sexes and nightmare dating scene. 

I thank whatever deity is out there I am happily married with a beautiful kid these days, another on the way.

Dude I love your username. 

And that probably was the original title of the movement by a pessimist who hated women, but then some optimist (a naive virgin possibly) took over the movement changed the verb "went" to "going."

I've been on only one date in past year so I guess I'd be considered involuntarily a part of this movement since I'm focused on finishing last year of school and am sort of isolating myself as people have been making me stressed lately (i.e. noises, discouragement, annoyance from their nuances personalities, etc.). Nice thing about membership in this movement is it does NOT have to be permanent if men (including myself) are able to get the balls/courage to start dating again or do it more often.  

I have a friend who is "voluntarily celibate" for 40 years and is in his mid 60s now. Not exactly sure his motivation, but he definitely isn't shy around women. I think he is probably asexual. Anyways, he always criticizes men who are married saying they are slaves to their families, which I don't think is true for "all" men. Many are probably very happy with their wife and kids if they have them. They most likely will post their family pics on FB and then the MGTOW stalkers will see their friends' families having fun picnics, rafting, or relaxing at beach in each other's arms while they sit near their computer screen and have two web pages up: FB and a porn website. They go hand in hand for the MGTOW dudes. 

I have to admit that when I was far younger I did envy people on FB when seeing only "the positive" sides of their lives, especially couples and I'm not totally despising these group of men as they (and for the time being myself) do deserve a chance to try and change their behaviors around women so they can at least try and get a woman.

Yep, being womanless and at the same time despising them is a catch 22 that will make any man go insane or turn sociopathic on society.

[RedPillOverdose]

Dude I love your username. 

And that probably was the original title of the movement by a pessimist who hated women, but then some optimist (a naive virgin possibly) took over the movement changed the verb "went" to "going."

I've been on only one date in past year so I guess I'd be considered involuntarily a part of this movement since I'm focused on finishing last year of school and am sort of isolating myself as people have been making me stressed lately (i.e. noises, discouragement, annoyance from their nuances personalities, etc.). Nice thing about membership in this movement is it does NOT have to be permanent if men (including myself) are able to get the balls/courage to start dating again or do it more often.  

I have a friend who is "voluntarily celibate" for 40 years and is in his mid 60s now. Not exactly sure his motivation, but he definitely isn't shy around women. I think he is probably asexual. Anyways, he always criticizes men who are married saying they are slaves to their families, which I don't think is true for "all" men. Many are probably very happy with their wife and kids if they have them. They most likely will post their family pics on FB and then the MGTOW stalkers will see their friends' families having fun picnics, rafting, or relaxing at beach in each other's arms while they sit near their computer screen and have two web pages up: FB and a porn website. They go hand in hand for the MGTOW dudes. 

I have to admit that when I was far younger I did envy people on FB when seeing only "the positive" sides of their lives, especially couples and I'm not totally despising these group of men as they (and for the time being myself) do deserve a chance to try and change their behaviors around women so they can at least try and get a woman.

Yep, being womanless and at the same time despising them is a catch 22 that will make any man go insane or turn sociopathic on society.

Thanks for the compliment and post!

There is so much truth in what you say here. 

I'd like to comment with all I have to say, but I will try to do so later or during the week because I have some things to do (family things, that is). 

I'll say this before I go though. Men who love their kids and wise are not slaves! We are dedicated. What the hell else is a man supposed to be besides dedicated to his children?! 

My dad neglected me. There's no chance in hell I'm going to neglect my children! In fact my miserable experience makes me all the more dedicated and aware of what my children will need!

[TruthSeeker]

Hate it or love it, MGTOW men got a lot of things about women right.

True, some are pretenders. True, it's not a long term solution. True, MGTOW believes that female nature is "just like that" which is not the case. Women are simply programmed to behave this way.

You gotta realize than many men who go MGTOW are simply tired of the drama and the never-ending games. They realize that being womanless is not natural, but knowing what they have to go through, they simply skip it.

I understand why older men would do that. It's a very logical decision.

[locutus24]

Hate it or love it, MGTOW men got a lot of things about women right.

True, some are pretenders. True, it's not a long term solution. True, MGTOW believes that female nature is "just like that" which is not the case. Women are simply programmed to behave this way.

You gotta realize than many men who go MGTOW are simply tired of the drama and the never-ending games. They realize that being womanless is not natural, but knowing what they have to go through, they simply skip it.

I understand why older men would do that. It's a very logical decision.

Do you do it or will you plan on doing it? You have the same mindset of them at least.

[Plato]

what the true nature of women then ?

[TruthSeeker]

what the true nature of women then ?

The primary characteristic of an authentic woman is care. She is also focused on her family first. She is also less material. Something that most women lack today. They are fake women brainwashed by TV series such as Sex in the City and magazines to behave in a certain way. All they care about is fake comfort and fake money.

They think they know, but they don't. Their beliefs are not their beliefs. They are spoiled, materialistic and have been taught to postpone family in the pursuit of a meaningless career that leaves them drained, poor and childless once they reach maturity.

An authentic woman would not do that.

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Do you do it or will you plan on doing it? You have the same mindset of them at least.

It's highly possible. But I am not going MGTOW right now.

[locutus24]

The primary characteristic of an authentic woman is care. She is also focused on her family first. She is also less material. Something that most women lack today. They are fake women brainwashed by TV series such as Sex in the City and magazines to behave in a certain way. All they care about is fake comfort and fake money.

They think they know, but they don't. Their beliefs are not their beliefs. They are spoiled, materialistic and have been taught to postpone family in the pursuit of a meaningless career that leaves them drained, poor and childless once they reach maturity.

An authentic woman would not do that.

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It's highly possible. But I am not going MGTOW right now.

I agree with much of this, especially the part about them not being able to have children once they get too old. 

You think it's "at all" possible for some women in careers to have a work-life balance with husband/BF and somehow care for a child? I'm only speaking of the US. In Japan this method has failed over and over after what I read on socio-economic policies there. They are as I would call our Asian Cousin when it comes to capitalism so we could learn from their mistakes. 

I personally think career-focused women will lead to neglect if they do have a kid. Most likely the kid gets sent to daycare center for the first 4-5 years while mom is away working 10-12 hour shifts at a hospital or corporate building. Dad may be away too if he is a workaholic. Kid doesn't get nurturing/parenting needed to help him/her develop. I do believe in Freud when it comes to early childhood stage development and in particular with boys and how it will negatively affect them during manhood later on.

Good you are still in the game. I know you probably want some gf even though one doesn't seem to exist for you, but there is always a small probability.

[TruthSeeker]

I agree with much of this, especially the part about them not being able to have children once they get too old. 

You think it's "at all" possible for some women in careers to have a work-life balance with husband/BF and somehow care for a child? I'm only speaking of the US. In Japan this method has failed over and over after what I read on socio-economic policies there. They are as I would call our Asian Cousin when it comes to capitalism so we could learn from their mistakes. 

I personally think career-focused women will lead to neglect if they do have a kid. Most likely the kid gets sent to daycare center for the first 4-5 years while mom is away working 10-12 hour shifts at a hospital or corporate building. Dad may be away too if he is a workaholic. Kid doesn't get nurturing/parenting needed to help him/her develop. I do believe in Freud when it comes to early childhood stage development and in particular with boys and how it will negatively affect them during manhood later on.

Good you are still in the game. I know you probably want some gf even though one doesn't seem to exist for you, but there is always a small probability.

The modern woman is childish. I've been on dates with 25-year-olds that could pass mentally for a 16-year-old. I know women in their 30s who still think their romantic fairy tale will manifest, but it won't. It's over. Damn. I've seen 40-year-old women on Tinder write in their bio description that they want kids. Seriously, darling? I mean, you may have them, but what took you so long?

They completely disregard the idea that an older mother has a higher chance to suffer complications during pregnancy or give birth to a genetically inferior kid. 

This is especially true for women who have their first kid late. When your organism has never passed through this - it's even harder. But they think it's all a joke. It ain't bitches.

The perfect age for a baby is up to the early 30s and that's pushing it. I've worked with women who are in their late 20s and think about having a family as much as a PlayStation kid thinks about investing in a mutual fund. They are all about "traveling". 

If you ask them why they postpone everything, the answer is - no good men out there. Sure. This translates to - "I've looked for my mythical man who satisfies my 15 pages of requirements but didn't find him." Now I am old and stupid.

Women want lies. That's why they go for the bad boys. The bad boys give them an opportunity to dream about that mythical romance and existence - about the movie. Meanwhile, the nice guys are predictable and boring. They are not interesting. 

When you add the self-sufficiency of the modern woman, you get the 30 something teenager still seeking "real love". Why should she settle for a nice guy when she already has money?

[locutus24]

The modern woman is childish. I've been on dates with 25-year-olds that could pass mentally for a 16-year-old. I know women in their 30s who still think their romantic fairy tale will manifest, but it won't. It's over. Damn. I've seen 40-year-old women on Tinder write in their bio description that they want kids. Seriously, darling? I mean, you may have them, but what took you so long?

They completely disregard the idea that an older mother has a higher chance to suffer complications during pregnancy or give birth to a genetically inferior kid. 

This is especially true for women who have their first kid late. When your organism has never passed through this - it's even harder. But they think it's all a joke. It ain't bitches.

The perfect age for a baby is up to the early 30s and that's pushing it. I've worked with women who are in their late 20s and think about having a family as much as a PlayStation kid thinks about investing in a mutual fund. They are all about "traveling". 

If you ask them why they postpone everything, the answer is - no good men out there. Sure. This translates to - "I've looked for my mythical man who satisfies my 15 pages of requirements but didn't find him." Now I am old and stupid.

Women want lies. That's why they go for the bad boys. The bad boys give them an opportunity to dream about that mythical romance and existence - about the movie. Meanwhile, the nice guys are predictable and boring. They are not interesting. 

When you add the self-sufficiency of the modern woman, you get the 30 something teenager still seeking "real love". Why should she settle for a nice guy when she already has money?

My parents had us watch those romantic comedy movies. I always thought as a kid and teenager they were harmless little dumb movies. I guess I was wrong. I could've not considered them dumb and made better preparations for this insane dating world. Those movies were harsh lessons on what would come later and I didn't take my notes. 

I may write a thesis on the harm of romantic comedy movies have on babies and population growth. It could get dismissed as a badly correlated research project, but I see a correlation. For every romance movie made, there exist at least 10,000 women who will postpone marriage until they are unable to bear children. I was roommates with a college female when I first started. She had a shelf of DVDs, and almost all were romance comedies. Those damn romance comedies TruthSeeker. They're like rats that spread and leave feces that can't be cleaned. 

What is the definition of a bad boy? I only hear about them on forums and haven't really witnessed them as I'm so antisocial. Are these guys stereotypes who own Harley's and take women on thrill rides or something? Like maybe a famous boxer or a CEO who brings them over for a night or two to fuck their brains out and then say bye? 

Well, at least they end up old and alone in an apartment somewhere and can suffer until they're in the grave. Probably will go to a psychiatrist and get meds for their "depression" over never finding "the one." I've done a fair share of socializing and dating in NY where the average female age is late 20s to 30s and I see the despair in their eyes at dating events and on the streets. I sometimes smirk at their despair and have no empathy for them. Every female who suffers is a win for me and it's the only satisfaction I can get. Maybe they'll overdose on drugs and hopefully die in the bathtub after watching their last romance comedy. Sorry I'm cruel and perhaps diabolical, but sometimes I just want most of these females to suffer and just perish.