Do you wait for signs of interest before approaching?

[Greywolf]

I'm trying to get over my fear of directly approaching women. I've read that it is a good idea to look for signs of interest before approaching.  I'm wondering if that is at all practical however, especially in this age of distraction.  Do guys even wait for signs of interest like hair preening or eye contact before approaching? 

Edit: the scenario would be standing at a busy shopping area next to subway.

Even if their faces aren't shoved in a phone I feel like women don't even notice me half the time or for whatever reason don't see me. Also I have a smaller stature so I don't exactly stand out.

[Plato]

I just approach women pal don't overthink it . my only advice is you can follow them and isolate it so there less people around. And just do it in chilling way if she says no just walk away. It not as bad as people say I even do it in audience now . people are more worried about there lives.

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My lines are hi you look quite attractive are you single. But know words will work it just something I like to say and makes me the most comfortable when doing it.

[Greywolf]

I think you're right, I've been overthinking it. I have a tendency to do that. That's really impressive you can approach with an audience. There was this girl on the train I was sitting next to this evening, but I didn't open my mouth because there were other people around us. Thinking back, it shouldn't seem so unnatural to hit on a woman during the day. I think that before online dating and nightclubs men actually approached women more.

[Brett]

Just do it, as nike would say.

Looking for signs of interest will cause your brain to rationalize not approaching. If you into this sort of thing then just dive right in because what you really after is the directness and the numbers. 

Be prepared for rejection though. But it should go better than online dating.

[TruthSeeker]

I think you're right, I've been overthinking it. I have a tendency to do that. That's really impressive you can approach with an audience. There was this girl on the train I was sitting next to this evening, but I didn't open my mouth because there were other people around us. Thinking back, it shouldn't seem so unnatural to hit on a woman during the day. I think that before online dating and nightclubs men actually approached women more.

More pressure on you = more pressure on her

A woman that would otherwise be receptive may reject you because of the audience. 

I have done a fair amount of approaches - including duos, trios, metros...etc. And still prefer smaller or preferably no audience. That tension that you feel never goes away. And I am kinda of tired of overclocking myself for some stranger cunt that has to do absolutely nothing to receive my validation.

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Just do it, as nike would say.

Looking for signs of interest will cause your brain to rationalize not approaching. If you into this sort of thing then just dive right in because what you really after is the directness and the numbers. 

Be prepared for rejection though. But it should go better than online dating.

It's better than online dating in terms of quality. If you want the best woman that you can get, you have to go offline.

I can't, however, say that the experience isn't harsh. It's just different and better in some aspects, but at the same time, the investment is huge. Most women will ignore you, some will reject you directly...etc. A small minority 1% will agree to meet you. And some of them will ghost you. 

Doesn't it sound wonderful? 

Wait. Despite the failures, you have to remain "non-needy", "positive", "alpha", "stoic"...etc.

P.S. Just read the side bar, bro.

[Plato]

I think you're right, I've been overthinking it. I have a tendency to do that. That's really impressive you can approach with an audience. There was this girl on the train I was sitting next to this evening, but I didn't open my mouth because there were other people around us. Thinking back, it shouldn't seem so unnatural to hit on a woman during the day. I think that before online dating and nightclubs men actually approached women more.

I have no choice tinder not working for me

[Brett]

I have no choice tinder not working for me

You not alone thats like 98% of men don't match with the women they really want on tinder. Because 100% of women are matching with the 2% of men on tinder who are elite.

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More pressure on you = more pressure on her

A woman that would otherwise be receptive may reject you because of the audience. 

I have done a fair amount of approaches - including duos, trios, metros...etc. And still prefer smaller or preferably no audience. That tension that you feel never goes away. And I am kinda of tired of overclocking myself for some stranger cunt that has to do absolutely nothing to receive my validation.

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It's better than online dating in terms of quality. If you want the best woman that you can get, you have to go offline.

I can't, however, say that the experience isn't harsh. It's just different and better in some aspects, but at the same time, the investment is huge. Most women will ignore you, some will reject you directly...etc. A small minority 1% will agree to meet you. And some of them will ghost you. 

Doesn't it sound wonderful? 

Wait. Despite the failures, you have to remain "non-needy", "positive", "alpha", "stoic"...etc.

P.S. Just read the side bar, bro.

Exaclty you have to keep the positive vibes after your 30+ rejection. Pretty difficult especially when you know they are rejecting you, they not having a bad day.

I don't cold approach anymore because I lost interest in it just like I lost interest in googling 'best arm builders'. Call it a phase. 

I might cold approach again in the future if I happen to see a girl who on the surface seems like my type. But thats a big might, considering I have mostly lost the will power to date millennial women.

[TruthSeeker]

You not alone thats like 98% of men don't match with the women they really want on tinder. Because 100% of women are matching with the 2% of men on tinder who are elite.

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I am starting to think that tinder isn't practically working even for those 2%. Sure, they can get many women and easily have sex with them on the first date, but even those elite 2% know that those women would easily cheat on them. Basically, hypergamy has reached a point where even super high tier men are not protected from failure, cheating and overall nasty vibe of dishonesty and constant testing, nagging...etc.

I have used tinder for years and yet have never been on a date with a woman that I would consider a keeper in any form or shape.

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Exaclty you have to keep the positive vibes after your 30+ rejection. Pretty difficult especially when you know they are rejecting you, they not having a bad day.

I don't cold approach anymore because I lost interest in it just like I lost interest in googling 'best arm builders'. Call it a phase. 

I might cold approach again in the future if I happen to see a girl who on the surface seems like my type. But thats a big might, considering I have mostly lost the will power to date millennial women.

To be fair, they are not always rejecting you. Some of those women are just afraid to reciprocate while others are already taken and/or in a bad mood. But yes - if you were a model, they would be more polite and respectful.

I've had women raise their hand pretending to slap me during approaches. And this is after a compliment...hahaha.

I understand you.

Back in my early to mid 20s, I was in a hardcore monk mode.

It's hard not to be exhausted from the dating game. The constant games and criticism from both, men and women, get to you. In the end, you ask yourself - why am I doing this to myself?

[Brett]

I am starting to think that tinder isn't practically working even for those 2%. Sure, they can get many women and easily have sex with them on the first date, but even those elite 2% know that those women would easily cheat on them. Basically, hypergamy has reached a point where even super high tier men are not protected from failure, cheating and overall nasty vibe of dishonesty and constant testing, nagging...etc.

I have used tinder for years and yet have never been on a date with a woman that I would consider a keeper in any form or shape.

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To be fair, they are not always rejecting you. Some of those women are just afraid to reciprocate while others are already taken and/or in a bad mood. But yes - if you were a model, they would be more polite and respectful.

I've had women raise their hand pretending to slap me during approaches. And this is after a compliment...hahaha.

I understand you.

Back in my early to mid 20s, I was in a hardcore monk mode.

It's hard not to be exhausted from the dating game. The constant games and criticism from both, men and women, get to you. In the end, you ask yourself - why am I doing this to myself?

Exaclty, those games were the biggest contributer to my intolerance for dating. Texting games from women in particular.

My worst reaction to a cold approach was when after approaching she said "do I know you?" I said "no", then she said "why are you talking to me then", in a real bitch way.

My friends worst was before he even said hello she said "I can smell the desperation on this one" to her friend.

I do understand that they are not always rejecting me, but, I also know subconsciously they are because of something they don't like about me. Its not just because they have a boyfriend.

A example, I'm reading this book by Brian Head Welch called Save Me From Myself. Brian is the lead guitarist in the metal band Korn. Frequently in their shows they would have their bodygaurds go out into the audience just to find attractive woman to join the band back stage. 

When asked if they would like to 'party' with the band, some would ask if they could bring their boyfriends, of course the bodyguard would say, only girls allowed, to which most of those girls would just leave their boyfriends right their just to go 'party' with the band backstage.

I once went out with a tinder date for about a month, during that time she showed me about 3 or 4 messages from other guys who were trying to go on a date with her. She wasn't an elite woman. She was very average and some would say below average (me too which is why I ended it). Yet she had options, more than I had at the time, even now. The most I ever had at once was two. So if average/below average women have multiple options it must be scary to think what elite women have in terms of options.

[TruthSeeker]

Exaclty, those games were the biggest contributer to my intolerance for dating. Texting games from women in particular.

My worst reaction to a cold approach was when after approaching she said "do I know you?" I said "no", then she said "why are you talking to me then", in a real bitch way.

My friends worst was before he even said hello she said "I can smell the desperation on this one" to her friend.

I do understand that they are not always rejecting me, but, I also know subconsciously they are because of something they don't like about me. Its not just because they have a boyfriend.

A example, I'm reading this book by Brian Head Welch called Save Me From Myself. Brian is the lead guitarist in the metal band Korn. Frequently in their shows they would have their bodygaurds go out into the audience just to find attractive woman to join the band back stage. 

When asked if they would like to 'party' with the band, some would ask if they could bring their boyfriends, of course the bodyguard would say, only girls allowed, to which most of those girls would just leave their boyfriends right their just to go 'party' with the band backstage.

I once went out with a tinder date for about a month, during that time she showed me about 3 or 4 messages from other guys who were trying to go on a date with her. She wasn't an elite woman. She was very average and some would say below average (me too which is why I ended it). Yet she had options, more than I had at the time, even now. The most I ever had at once was two. So if average/below average women have multiple options it must be scary to think what elite women have in terms of options.

Texting is their strength which is why that's all they do. Texting allows them to juggle men. 

In general, many women are not loyal and that has been proven throughout history. E.g., Many German women who were supporting the Nazis sided with the allies after the war. It's like they have a chip in their head to go with the winner - the guy withholding the resources. A woman that drops you to go backstage and party (drink and fuck) with some modern heroes (musicians) is an example of the same principle - she is trying to level up.  

For the same reason, you would rarely hear about nationalist women. Those who participate in similar movements are usually heavily influenced by a male figure. I am yet to meet a woman that isn't supporting multiculturalism and everything that comes with it.

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I once met a 36-year-old woman from tinder (big mistake I know). 

Here are some shock factor that I witnessed:

1. She had around 90-98 matches.  I saw it myself. She wasn't ugly - like a 5. So a 5 + 36 get her close to 100 matches. She could easily have more but she probably swept left on many guys.
2. She'd met with a pilot a week ago but "there was no chemistry". I didn't see the pilot, but since she met him, it is safe to assume that he was somewhat fine looking at least in the photos. Also, he has an interesting, well-paid job. Apparently, not enough for this woman.
3. She told me that a while back some guy (younger than her) had offered her to have a baby with her. Since she is a career woman he offered to be the one taking care of the baby. 

She basically ghosted him after that.  

She offered me to be FWBs. I didn't say no but ghosted her since I was significantly younger than her and couldn't stand her and her feminist mind.