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Tradition English breakfast
#31
@Grinch

Oh poor sap. Do you even read what you link?

Serum free testosterone, however, did not differ significantly during the 6 wk dietary intervention periods and neither did serum concentrations of sex hormone binding globulin, dihydrotestosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate, 4-androstenedione, estrone, estradiol, estrone sulphate, or gonadotropins.

Yeah, I didn't think so. Clearly meat and dairy didn't help with reading comprehension skills.

(02-14-2020, 03:19 PM)Grinch Wrote: Meat and dairy consumption does not increase cancer. Old studies, now debunked. Cooking meat at high temperatures may increase cancer. So eat your steak medium rare or rare. Eating soy vastly overloads estrogen. Without soy, vegans do not get enough COMPLETE protein for body building. My vegan uncle died of prostate cancer. All that soy estrogen sure did him a lot of good (sarcasm).
Oh man, so much stupidity in so few sentences. They do, and no, they weren't debunked. Why don't you link another study that contradicts what you say, hm?
Not only processed meat is linked to cancer, red meat in general is. You may even eat it raw and do leaps on one leg around the table.
Soy does not contain estrogen. Phytoestrogen, yeah, significantly different thing. It may even help with estrogen overloading since it binds to receptors, but doesn't work as the mammalian estrogen, of which meat and dairy are full of Smile
And yeah, anectodes tramp studies everytime /s

(02-14-2020, 03:19 PM)Grinch Wrote: Japanese lifespan increased with increasing meat consumption. The same is true for China. Chinese eat more meat calories per capita than US citizens. There is a globalist agenda, to remove meat from us. The goal is to have more passive, estrogenated citizens. All kinds of lies, such as we must stop eating meat because of cow farts. Well India has four times the cattle herd the US does. Good luck on getting India to kill all their cattle.
"Toxic masculinity" can be stopped if soy replaces meat, or so the Globalists think. Eat your soy along with your fluoridated water, and you will become a nice passive little girl.
You are just confused and disturbingly misguided human being.
And how do you know it's true? Because some contradicting himself moron on YouTube said so? FFS. It's impossible to reason with people like you because you started to believe in all of this dumb shit without a fart of evidence in the first place. You can't be even bothered to at least check if the things you refer to confirm what you say, lol.


@generationkill123

You are just a gift that does not stop giving Smile


@Plato

Being afraid of beans because you may lose your man card and your dick may fall off sounds pretty toxic to me.
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#32
Fellas,

Play nice.

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#33
(02-14-2020, 11:06 PM)impatient_undertaker Wrote: @Grinch

Oh poor sap. Do you even read what you link?

Serum free testosterone, however, did not differ significantly during the 6 wk dietary intervention periods and neither did serum concentrations of sex hormone binding globulin, dihydrotestosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate, 4-androstenedione, estrone, estradiol, estrone sulphate, or gonadotropins.

Yeah, I didn't think so. Clearly meat and dairy didn't help with reading comprehension skills.

Oh man, so much stupidity in so few sentences. They do, and no, they weren't debunked. Why don't you link another study that contradicts what you say, hm?
Not only processed meat is linked to cancer, red meat in general is. You may even eat it raw and do leaps on one leg around the table.
Soy does not contain estrogen. Phytoestrogen, yeah, significantly different thing. It may even help with estrogen overloading since it binds to receptors, but doesn't work as the mammalian estrogen, of which meat and dairy are full of Smile
And yeah, anectodes tramp studies everytime /s

You are just confused and disturbingly misguided human being.
And how do you know it's true? Because some contradicting himself moron on YouTube said so? FFS. It's impossible to reason with people like you because you started to believe in all of this dumb shit without a fart of evidence in the first place. You can't be even bothered to at least check if the things you refer to confirm what you say, lol.


@generationkill123

You are just a gift that does not stop giving Smile


@Plato

Being afraid of beans because you may lose your man card and your dick may fall off sounds pretty toxic to me.
Look at this wall of text, lmao the vegan is S.E.E.T.H.I.N.G. Tongue
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#34
(02-15-2020, 06:02 AM)generationkill123 Wrote: Look at this wall of text, lmao the vegan is S.E.E.T.H.I.N.G. Tongue
You missed the original wall of nonsense by Grinch to which then I responded with a comparably long text. I would be surprised with your dishonesty if I haven't already known that you are short-schlonged Hitler lover Smile
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#35
(02-14-2020, 05:12 PM)Plato Wrote: Toxic masculinity not real.

You are correct. However, today's social justice warriors are very concerned about "toxic masculinity". There are even classes taught on how to combat it. To them, itis a crime to be masculine.
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#36
(02-14-2020, 11:06 PM)impatient_undertaker Wrote: @Grinch

Oh poor sap. Do you even read what you link?

Serum free testosterone, however, did not differ significantly during the 6 wk dietary intervention periods and neither did serum concentrations of sex hormone binding globulin, dihydrotestosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate, 4-androstenedione, estrone, estradiol, estrone sulphate, or gonadotropins.

Yeah, I didn't think so. Clearly meat and dairy didn't help with reading comprehension skills.

Oh man, so much stupidity in so few sentences. They do, and no, they weren't debunked. Why don't you link another study that contradicts what you say, hm?
Not only processed meat is linked to cancer, red meat in general is. You may even eat it raw and do leaps on one leg around the table.
Soy does not contain estrogen. Phytoestrogen, yeah, significantly different thing. It may even help with estrogen overloading since it binds to receptors, but doesn't work as the mammalian estrogen, of which meat and dairy are full of Smile
And yeah, anectodes tramp studies everytime /s

You are just confused and disturbingly misguided human being.
And how do you know it's true? Because some contradicting himself moron on YouTube said so? FFS. It's impossible to reason with people like you because you started to believe in all of this dumb shit without a fart of evidence in the first place. You can't be even bothered to at least check if the things you refer to confirm what you say, lol.


@generationkill123

You are just a gift that does not stop giving Smile


@Plato

Being afraid of beans because you may lose your man card and your dick may fall off sounds pretty toxic to me.

what beans? I am so lost .
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#37
"impatient undertaker", resulting to insults and emotion means you are covering, because you have no case. By the way, both groups were consuming dairy and eggs. Do you know what lacto-ovo means? Eating meat raised testosterone levels.
"For total fasting serum testosterone (T) there was a significant interaction between diet and time (P < 0.01). Thus, the V diet resulted in a lower total T level (13.7, 9.8-32.4 nmol.l-1) (median and range) compared with the M diet (17.4, 11.8-33.5 nmol.l-1). During exercise after 6 wk on the diets total T was also significantly lower on the V than on the M diet (P < 0.05)."

In the 1970s, we were told eggs were not to be eaten because they had cholesterol. Over decades, the position of science changed. Eventually, the US government said it was ok to eat a small number of eggs. Now, there are NO recommended restrictions on eating eggs.

The Framingham Heart Study, with many references such as:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-019-0202-5, thousands of people studied over decades, proved eating meat was healthy, the opposite of what was expected.

What diet is officially recommended in some countries in Europe (originally Finland?) and adopted by the US? The food plate, consisting one quarter of the plate meat (fish, chicken, red meat), one quarter starch, and one half a plate of vegetables and fruit, with a side of dairy.

Eating meat is good: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2766766/
"The results of this study suggest that red or processed meat consumption measured 10 years earlier or synchronously do not predict an increased risk of CVD as indicated by cholesterol concentration or blood pressure. However there were significant positive associations between meat consumption and BMI and waist circumference."
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#38
doesn't eating meat stop you being hungry.
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#39
@Grinch

I can't really tell if you are just that dense or blatantly lying.

(02-15-2020, 04:09 PM)Grinch Wrote: "impatient undertaker", resulting to insults and emotion means you are covering, because you have no case.
Smoke and mirrors, I use insults to highlight your stupidity and dishonesty. It has nothing to do with emotions. Funny that apparently when you use insults it's perfectly fine. Double standards is a double edged sword.

(02-15-2020, 04:09 PM)Grinch Wrote: By the way, both groups were consuming dairy and eggs. Do you know what lacto-ovo means?
So what? There is a nice study on vegans too. Guess what? They had significantly higher test levels and statistically the same free test. Your claims have grounds.

(02-15-2020, 04:09 PM)Grinch Wrote: Eating meat raised testosterone levels.
"For total fasting serum testosterone (T) there was a significant interaction between diet and time (P < 0.01). Thus, the V diet resulted in a lower total T level (13.7, 9.8-32.4 nmol.l-1) (median and range) compared with the M diet (17.4, 11.8-33.5 nmol.l-1). During exercise after 6 wk on the diets total T was also significantly lower on the V than on the M diet (P < 0.05)."
Total test doesn't matter if it's bound. That's why I showed results on free test, and amounts of free test were statistically the same. But you decide to still being wrong, lol.

Even if the total test instead of the free test mattered, then it would mean that lacto-ovo < omni < vegan when it comes to the total test Cool

(02-15-2020, 04:09 PM)Grinch Wrote: In the 1970s, we were told eggs were not to be eaten because they had cholesterol. Over decades, the position of science changed. Eventually, the US government said it was ok to eat a small number of eggs. Now, there are NO recommended restrictions on eating eggs.
And that is a lie. Nothing changed. Let's see what guidelines say:

The Key Recommendation from the 2010 Dietary Guidelines to limit consumption of dietary cholesterol to 300 mg per day is not included in the 2015 edition, but this change does not suggest that dietary cholesterol is no longer important to consider when building healthy eating patterns. As recommended by the IOM,[24] individuals should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible while consuming a healthy eating pattern.

Which part of "as little as possible" you don't understand?

(02-15-2020, 04:09 PM)Grinch Wrote: The Framingham Heart Study, with many references such as:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41569-019-0202-5, thousands of people studied over decades, proved eating meat was healthy, the opposite of what was expected.
Blatant lie. Your own link disproves what you wrote here. For starters it established high cholesterol, obesity and hypertwnsion as major CVD risk factors and meat increases each of them by your own next referred study, lol.

(02-15-2020, 04:09 PM)Grinch Wrote: What diet is officially recommended in some countries in Europe (originally Finland?)  and adopted by the US? The food plate, consisting one quarter of the plate meat (fish, chicken, red meat), one quarter starch, and one half a plate of vegetables and fruit, with a side of dairy.
This plate?

[Image: HEPJan2015.jpg]

I don't know about you, but I don't see dairy there and it says healthy protein (including nuts and beans you are so terrified of) and recommends specifically to limit processed meat, bacon, red meat and cheese. Who do you try to fool? Do you think people are too stupid to fact-check this stuff?

(02-15-2020, 04:09 PM)Grinch Wrote: Eating meat is good: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2766766/
"The results of this study suggest that red or processed meat consumption measured 10 years earlier or synchronously do not predict an increased risk of CVD as indicated by cholesterol concentration or blood pressure. However there were significant positive associations between meat consumption and BMI and waist circumference."
Yeah, you cite one study underpowered to show significant correlation with CVD, but powered enough to show that meat affects adversely weight and shape. You have nondirect indicators of CVD risk in the studies you cite yourself. You can't even find ones that are positive about meat without asterisks, lol. It's telling, you know?


@Plato

Soybeans. Which are beans Cool
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#40
(02-15-2020, 08:37 PM)impatient_undertaker Wrote: @Grinch

I can't really tell if you are just that dense or blatantly lying.

Smoke and mirrors, I use insults to highlight your stupidity and dishonesty. It has nothing to do with emotions. Funny that apparently when you use insults it's perfectly fine. Double standards is a double edged sword.

So what? There is a nice study on vegans too. Guess what? They had significantly higher test levels and statistically the same free test. Your claims have grounds.

Total test doesn't matter if it's bound. That's why I showed results on free test, and amounts of free test were statistically the same. But you decide to still being wrong, lol.

Even if the total test instead of the free test mattered, then it would mean that lacto-ovo < omni < vegan when it comes to the total test  Cool

And that is a lie. Nothing changed. Let's see what guidelines say:

The Key Recommendation from the 2010 Dietary Guidelines to limit consumption of dietary cholesterol to 300 mg per day is not included in the 2015 edition, but this change does not suggest that dietary cholesterol is no longer important to consider when building healthy eating patterns. As recommended by the IOM,[24] individuals should eat as little dietary cholesterol as possible while consuming a healthy eating pattern.

Which part of "as little as possible" you don't understand?

Blatant lie. Your own link disproves what you wrote here. For starters it established high cholesterol, obesity and hypertwnsion as major CVD risk factors and meat increases each of them by your own next referred study, lol.

This plate?

[Image: HEPJan2015.jpg]

I don't know about you, but I don't see dairy there and it says healthy protein (including nuts and beans you are so terrified of) and recommends specifically to limit processed meat, bacon, red meat and cheese. Who do you try to fool? Do you think people are too stupid to fact-check this stuff?

Yeah, you cite one study underpowered to show significant correlation with CVD, but powered enough to show that meat affects adversely weight and shape. You have nondirect indicators of CVD risk in the studies you cite yourself. You can't even find ones that are positive about meat without asterisks, lol. It's telling, you know?


@Plato

Soybeans. Which are beans Cool

but  I said nothing ?
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