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My Opinion on the MGTOW Movement
#1
The general concept of MGTOW makes perfect sense to me, especially now when I have had my large share of female hostility and rejection. I have been treated bad by many women. They have wasted my time, lied to me, manipulated me...etc. I learned a lot, but at the same time, I lost resources - mainly time and energy. I will never get them back. The regrets, and the metallic taste in my mouth will stay. I will never be able to love a woman. They successfully broke that in me.

For someone in my position, MGTOW's ideology makes a lot of sense. Yet I don't fully embrace it.

MGTOW logically eliminates a variable (women) which takes too much without giving back almost anything to the average person. If women were a business idea, giving up on them would be a logical step. "Cut your losses."

But women are not a business idea.

You were designed biologically to want them. You would never see a lion go MGTOW. Giving up on women is like choosing your gender - you can't really do it. The desire will always be there. It's 100% unnatural for a man NOT to want a woman.

This is why MGTOW is not for young individuals - at least not in its extreme form. MGTOW makes fun of feminists who spend their best years chasing a meaningless career and yet many young men use MGTOW as an excuse to waste precious time on nonsense dopamine ventures too.

However, MGTOW can be a great choice for a divorced man with children.

This individual has already reproduced and has had his natural need for a woman satisfied. If this was me, I would probably go full-blown MGTOW without carrying at all. I would focus my energy on my children and myself.

Honestly, I don't think MGTOW is the solution. It can be a temporary medicine that you take, but in the long-term, something else is in order.
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#2
(12-26-2018, 07:12 AM)TruthSeeker Wrote: The general concept of MGTOW makes perfect sense to me, especially now when I have had my large share of female hostility and rejection. I have been treated bad by many women. They have wasted my time, lied to me, manipulated me...etc. I learned a lot, but at the same time, I lost resources - mainly time and energy. I will never get them back. The regrets, and the metallic taste in my mouth will stay. I will never be able to love a woman. They successfully broke that in me.

For someone in my position, MGTOW's ideology makes a lot of sense. Yet I don't fully embrace it.

MGTOW logically eliminates a variable (women) which takes too much without giving back almost anything to the average person. If women were a business idea, giving up on them would be a logical step. "Cut your losses."

But women are not a business idea.

You were designed biologically to want them. You would never see a lion go MGTOW. Giving up on women is like choosing your gender - you can't really do it. The desire will always be there. It's 100% unnatural for a man NOT to want a woman.

This is why MGTOW is not for  young individuals - at least not in its extreme form. MGTOW makes fun of feminists who spend their best years chasing a meaningless career and yet many young men use MGTOW as an excuse to waste precious time on nonsense dopamine ventures too.

However, MGTOW can be a great choice for a divorced man with children.

This individual has already reproduced and has had his natural need for a woman satisfied. If this was me, I would probably go full-blown MGTOW without carrying at all. I would focus my energy on my children and myself.

Honestly, I don't think MGTOW is the solution. It can be a temporary medicine that you take, but in the long-term, something else is in order.

It should be temporary if at all. Maybe a 1-3 year period where you get set up in your business or your new job, or finishing your degree. Those guys that plan on ignoring women their entire lives are going to have a lot of bottled up regret later in life. 

You should never cut yourself off from all opportunities, even if you aren't actively looking for a partner, doesn't mean you can't passively be open to it if the opportunity arises. 

I feel as if the majority of the mgtow movement are just men who are secretly hoping that by ignoring women they will attract them. The rest of them are probably men that have been used by women as the nice guys and are just sick of being left in limber all the time while these girls run off with bad boys. 

I've got a feeling that you aren't a nice guy (anymore, I think at one stage we all were, I certainly was). You aren't trying reverse psychology either because you aren't immature. So that's why you reject mgtow. You recognise the need, but you dont want it. Its just something that's part of you (every man) and instead of fighting it (mgtow), you've embraced it, but recognised that through free will, you don't have to let it rule your life.
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#3
Having a son and having been married for nearly ten years, it is less of a concern for me to find a relationship/woman at the moment. The grass isn't always greener. I sometimes feel lonely, but then you can feel lonely in a relstionship. Being in the wrong relationship is hell and for now I'm enjoying my freedom.

I would not rule anything out and if I found someone I liked then great. But it isn't a massive concern for me. I remember how it was when I was in my teenage years and hadn't had sex yet. It was awful. It felt like everyone around me was having sex and in a relationship, but not me. I used to fear stories of others' conquests because I had none myself. Nowadays it must he much worse. I seen videos on YouTube that target young men like this made by psychos telling them they will never find anyone and that something is wrong with them. No wonder suicide rates are soaring despite our apparent social progress.
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#4
(12-26-2018, 07:35 AM)Brett Wrote:
(12-26-2018, 07:12 AM)TruthSeeker Wrote: The general concept of MGTOW makes perfect sense to me, especially now when I have had my large share of female hostility and rejection. I have been treated bad by many women. They have wasted my time, lied to me, manipulated me...etc. I learned a lot, but at the same time, I lost resources - mainly time and energy. I will never get them back. The regrets, and the metallic taste in my mouth will stay. I will never be able to love a woman. They successfully broke that in me.

For someone in my position, MGTOW's ideology makes a lot of sense. Yet I don't fully embrace it.

MGTOW logically eliminates a variable (women) which takes too much without giving back almost anything to the average person. If women were a business idea, giving up on them would be a logical step. "Cut your losses."

But women are not a business idea.

You were designed biologically to want them. You would never see a lion go MGTOW. Giving up on women is like choosing your gender - you can't really do it. The desire will always be there. It's 100% unnatural for a man NOT to want a woman.

This is why MGTOW is not for  young individuals - at least not in its extreme form. MGTOW makes fun of feminists who spend their best years chasing a meaningless career and yet many young men use MGTOW as an excuse to waste precious time on nonsense dopamine ventures too.

However, MGTOW can be a great choice for a divorced man with children.

This individual has already reproduced and has had his natural need for a woman satisfied. If this was me, I would probably go full-blown MGTOW without carrying at all. I would focus my energy on my children and myself.

Honestly, I don't think MGTOW is the solution. It can be a temporary medicine that you take, but in the long-term, something else is in order.

It should be temporary if at all. Maybe a 1-3 year period where you get set up in your business or your new job, or finishing your degree. Those guys that plan on ignoring women their entire lives are going to have a lot of bottled up regret later in life. 

You should never cut yourself off from all opportunities, even if you aren't actively looking for a partner, doesn't mean you can't passively be open to it if the opportunity arises. 

I feel as if the majority of the mgtow movement are just men who are secretly hoping that by ignoring women they will attract them. The rest of them are probably men that have been used by women as the nice guys and are just sick of being left in limber all the time while these girls run off with bad boys. 

I've got a feeling that you aren't a nice guy (anymore, I think at one stage we all were, I certainly was). You aren't trying reverse psychology either because you aren't immature. So that's why you reject mgtow. You recognise the need, but you dont want it. Its just something that's part of you (every man) and instead of fighting it (mgtow), you've embraced it, but recognised that through free will, you don't have to let it rule your life.
Your stance is the best. Passive is the right description of it. The movement seem to be scared of how divorces leave men ruined but it also sucks to find out 15 years later that the kid you are growing like your son is not even yours but someones, all her love was an just an act.
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#5
I don't know how's the situation where you live, but among few things that's good in the shithole I live is cheap whores. I gave up relationships many years ago. Some might say that is a sad way to live, without real love and care, and I thought so in the beginning. However it doesn't matter how hard I try, I will not have real love, even from a relationship. At least fucking whores I get sexual satisfaction and can focus on other things that life can offer.
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#6
(12-27-2018, 09:23 AM)wop Wrote: I don't know how's the situation where you live, but among few things that's good in the shithole I live is cheap whores. I gave up relationships many years ago. Some might say that is a sad way to live, without real love and care, and I thought so in the beginning. However it doesn't matter how hard I try, I will not have real love, even from a relationship. At least fucking whores I get sexual satisfaction and can focus on other things that life can offer.

"There is a house in New Orleans and it's called the rising sun, and its been the ruin, of many a poor boy and God I know I'm one". Unknown author

Welcome to the club. Sadly this road you speak of leads to ruin. Sex absent of love, leads to despair and emptiness. 

Sex between two people (both sexually pure) that love each other is the most intimate and special thing a man and a woman can share. Unfortunately not much in this world has not been tarnished and perverted. I am no exception, brother I have walked that road.
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#7
(12-26-2018, 07:12 AM)TruthSeeker Wrote: The general concept of MGTOW makes perfect sense to me, especially now when I have had my large share of female hostility and rejection. I have been treated bad by many women. They have wasted my time, lied to me, manipulated me...etc. I learned a lot, but at the same time, I lost resources - mainly time and energy. I will never get them back. The regrets, and the metallic taste in my mouth will stay. I will never be able to love a woman. They successfully broke that in me.

For someone in my position, MGTOW's ideology makes a lot of sense. Yet I don't fully embrace it.

MGTOW logically eliminates a variable (women) which takes too much without giving back almost anything to the average person. If women were a business idea, giving up on them would be a logical step. "Cut your losses."

But women are not a business idea.

You were designed biologically to want them. You would never see a lion go MGTOW. Giving up on women is like choosing your gender - you can't really do it. The desire will always be there. It's 100% unnatural for a man NOT to want a woman.

This is why MGTOW is not for  young individuals - at least not in its extreme form. MGTOW makes fun of feminists who spend their best years chasing a meaningless career and yet many young men use MGTOW as an excuse to waste precious time on nonsense dopamine ventures too.

However, MGTOW can be a great choice for a divorced man with children.

This individual has already reproduced and has had his natural need for a woman satisfied. If this was me, I would probably go full-blown MGTOW without carrying at all. I would focus my energy on my children and myself.

Honestly, I don't think MGTOW is the solution. It can be a temporary medicine that you take, but in the long-term, something else is in order.
The natural need for a woman won't disappear after you reproduce and have kids. It will always be there.
Other than that wish I had more to say but I'm pretty much clueless like most men: single, married, divorced, happy or unhappy and every combination of those.
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#8
(12-28-2018, 03:40 PM)Alex Wrote:
(12-26-2018, 07:12 AM)TruthSeeker Wrote: The general concept of MGTOW makes perfect sense to me, especially now when I have had my large share of female hostility and rejection. I have been treated bad by many women. They have wasted my time, lied to me, manipulated me...etc. I learned a lot, but at the same time, I lost resources - mainly time and energy. I will never get them back. The regrets, and the metallic taste in my mouth will stay. I will never be able to love a woman. They successfully broke that in me.

For someone in my position, MGTOW's ideology makes a lot of sense. Yet I don't fully embrace it.

MGTOW logically eliminates a variable (women) which takes too much without giving back almost anything to the average person. If women were a business idea, giving up on them would be a logical step. "Cut your losses."

But women are not a business idea.

You were designed biologically to want them. You would never see a lion go MGTOW. Giving up on women is like choosing your gender - you can't really do it. The desire will always be there. It's 100% unnatural for a man NOT to want a woman.

This is why MGTOW is not for  young individuals - at least not in its extreme form. MGTOW makes fun of feminists who spend their best years chasing a meaningless career and yet many young men use MGTOW as an excuse to waste precious time on nonsense dopamine ventures too.

However, MGTOW can be a great choice for a divorced man with children.

This individual has already reproduced and has had his natural need for a woman satisfied. If this was me, I would probably go full-blown MGTOW without carrying at all. I would focus my energy on my children and myself.

Honestly, I don't think MGTOW is the solution. It can be a temporary medicine that you take, but in the long-term, something else is in order.
The natural need for a woman won't disappear after you reproduce and have kids. It will always be there.
Other than that wish I had more to say but I'm pretty much clueless like most men: single, married, divorced, happy or unhappy and every combination of those.

I am very sure that I will never find love, but I am not apposed to it.
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#9
(12-26-2018, 07:12 AM)TruthSeeker Wrote: The general concept of MGTOW makes perfect sense to me, especially now when I have had my large share of female hostility and rejection. I have been treated bad by many women. They have wasted my time, lied to me, manipulated me...etc. I learned a lot, but at the same time, I lost resources - mainly time and energy. I will never get them back. The regrets, and the metallic taste in my mouth will stay. I will never be able to love a woman. They successfully broke that in me.

For someone in my position, MGTOW's ideology makes a lot of sense. Yet I don't fully embrace it.

MGTOW logically eliminates a variable (women) which takes too much without giving back almost anything to the average person. If women were a business idea, giving up on them would be a logical step. "Cut your losses."

But women are not a business idea.

You were designed biologically to want them. You would never see a lion go MGTOW. Giving up on women is like choosing your gender - you can't really do it. The desire will always be there. It's 100% unnatural for a man NOT to want a woman.

This is why MGTOW is not for  young individuals - at least not in its extreme form. MGTOW makes fun of feminists who spend their best years chasing a meaningless career and yet many young men use MGTOW as an excuse to waste precious time on nonsense dopamine ventures too.

However, MGTOW can be a great choice for a divorced man with children.

This individual has already reproduced and has had his natural need for a woman satisfied. If this was me, I would probably go full-blown MGTOW without carrying at all. I would focus my energy on my children and myself.

Honestly, I don't think MGTOW is the solution. It can be a temporary medicine that you take, but in the long-term, something else is in order.

Truthseeker, what's your opinion on Nikola Tesla? I'm sure that guy could have had any number of woman... yet he remained single because he was not impressed with the direction women were heading in. 

I would not mind a woman, however, is it not better to be a single man than in a toxic marriage/releationship?
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#10
(01-20-2019, 06:49 PM)Inder Wrote: Truthseeker, what's your opinion on Nikola Tesla? I'm sure that guy could have had any number of woman... yet he remained single because he was not impressed with the direction women were heading in. 

I would not mind a woman, however, is it not better to be a single man than in a toxic marriage/releationship?

I know that you ask  trhuseeker, but I like say, 
I had seen in a documentary that Tesla feared women. He put them on a pedestal and for that reason he died  virgin, even mentioning that he kept his whole life a handkerchief or glove (I do not remember exactly) of a woman who never dared to speak to her. All this because he was raised in a Catholic family and his mother "taught" him to respect women. When I look at that I just thought that  even being a higher mind as telsa the hardest that is going againg the ideas that have been imposed on you or the one you impose on yourself, after all tesla was never a philosopher he was an engineer and inventor the greatest of History, of course, that I have seen in several documentaries, I do not know if it is true. Maybe what you say is true, tesla was not impressed, and for that reason Tesla never got married never had a girlfriend even in his teenage years and youth
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