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(11-18-2018, 08:19 PM)Plato Wrote: I think one nattyornot list what natty really looks like is good way to tell. you could also compare your own experience . I been lifting for 8 years straight  I am 145lbs at 14 % body fat . I would say normal natty would all ways just look like guy that does cardio . what weird now is when ,I tell people I lift they laugh at me and say  are you cardio man .

most people would never look like they lift because why because your human . most people who have look like they lift are so on something he just more like shadow spinner. even if hes not natty at least it something that look more legit that most of the lairs out there.  

when your lean  at 10 % you just look like model who forgot to eat  breakfast  this morning

Jung Ji-Hoon has a sick physique. 6'2 80kg at 6% is a great physique. I'm 6'1 (187cm) if I can get to 80kg 10% bf I would be happy.
(11-18-2018, 06:56 AM)Brett Wrote:
(11-04-2018, 09:36 PM)khrazz Wrote:
(11-04-2018, 09:23 AM)Plato Wrote:
(10-31-2018, 10:36 AM)khrazz Wrote:
(10-31-2018, 04:52 AM)NattyRobot Wrote: I'd give him a 4.5/5 chance of being natty.

Just because he does not look like he uses, does not mean he does not. His latest photos show an increased muscle gain, mostly in traps/shoulders. Jason blaha uses TRT yet you could pass him as natty 1000%. He could be using TRT dosage of testosterone, that alone does not make you look like Lazar Angelov, thats for sure. Calisthenics alone do not allow for big muscle gains, because the body has no reason to grow a lot of mass - if that was true, then all people on earth would eventually grow big calves because of their everyday walking. I am not telling you that calisthenics are garbage, they can get you in shape but due to their dependance on your bodyweight, this can create a fluctuation of the total workload you do (its totally different to lift 70kg pull-ups vs 73kg pull-ups for 5 sets. In the second case, you lift 15kg more, which is increased workload, but you may not weight the same the next day.) Plus this dependance of your weight does not allow you to bulk because your calisthenics progress will suffer. But if you dont bulk you dont gain muscle Tongue Tongue Tongue
well yea I know that . 4.5 sounds about right . the question is can you get hes body natty !
Yes you can. If you follow a solid strength training program and train every muscle group with consistency you can 100%. He does not have a huge amount of muscle mass to begin with . How long is it gonna take? Well i cant tell you for sure. Usually such musculature requiers at least 2 years of solid training (training,and not working out with fluff exercises ) but that has a lot of factors to consider (whats your muscle/fat starting point, your experience with weight, how your body responds to training/bulking sleep/stress/rest/nutrition etc)

How i made things clear.

Have you built a body like his yourself?

I haven't, so I wouldn't be able to tell you how long it would take and what it required. 

Unless you have done something yourself, you are just making calculated guess'es, in bodybuilding we call it bro science.

Sorry for stepping on anyone's hopes and dreams.
i dont know if the photo can be seen but i am going try anyway. And yes i have, its not that hard to build such body :Smile and no i am never talking with "bro-science"stuff, i am talking though experience
@khrazz, pic can't be seen.
Also I read Oskar's blog years ago, he said he suffered from low test and had gynecomastia. I think he's cycling on lower doses of test.

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